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If complaining doesn't help, consider switching away.
Remember at Google you're not the customer. The reason Google want to keep you using their product is so that they can learn more about you and then ask their customers more money to show ads to you.
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No, it's incorrect to say that running an email server requires just "a bit more work". Google basically no longer allows low volume servers to send mail. I wrote more about this here: https://www.attejuvonen.fi/dont-send-email-from-your-own-ser...
My low volume server can send mail very nicely. You can't however do your job half-assed, lack of strong SPF/TLS/DKIM isn't okay from both Google's and anti-spam perspective.
Also: please stop spreading unsubstantiated claims about your magical server magically sending mail past Gmail's spam filters. There's virtually no chance of that being true, and if it somehow was true, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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I regularily receive dmarc reports from Google (every day) and yahoo for instance. Not sure I've ever received any dmarc report from hotmail though. And email is pretty reliable with Google. It is a disaster with hotmail: you have to send a big number of emails to have a chance that hotmail treats your email as non spam. They put your self hosted emails in the spam folder of your regular contacts, and the fact that t…
I've got Hotmail aggregate reports up through 2017 (sent from microsoft.com though).
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No, it's incorrect to say that running an email server requires just "a bit more work". Google basically no longer allows low volume servers to send mail. I wrote more about this here: https://www.attejuvonen.fi/dont-send-email-from-your-own-ser...
Sounds like there's a niche business and/or OSS project there. Create gmail accounts. Install email send bot on email server. Send messages to Gmail accounts. Figure out how to avoid spam.
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Yeah, gmail is really not great. I host my own email but use gmail for work. I hate everything in gmail, from the UI to the lack of really simple way to filter thing (like sieve) and to the totally random behaviour like you described. In the end, I don't really read emails on gmail anymore because it's just a huge pain. My own server has a good reputation, but it meant setting up SPF, DKIM, DMARC etc.... Where it was…
I have exactly the same problem on my personal email server, ms silently drops my email! Their server replies with OK, but the email is nowhere to be found in the recipient’s inbox. Even if the conversation was initiated by the microsoft account and I merely reply to it, the email still disappears. I’ve got everything setup properly, all test websites come up green, and google receives my email just fine. SPF, DMARK,…
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Why not both? Google can be evil too.
Yeah, but in this case Google isn't being evil. Do you really thing Google wants to intentionally stop your innocuous emails from getting to your mail box? Why in the world would they want that?
The email landscape is substantially more complex now than it was three decades ago. The poster seems to be frustrated that he is mostly getting technical explanations to his rather emotionally fueled question. He is literally phishing for an argument on the morals of a big company deciding he is a potential spammer without absolute proof. He made it clear that his opinion is that there should be a system in place at…
I don't think OP stop replying, he seems pretty active on another thread of the same mailing list concerning another big player (MSFT) filtering out some messages for some reasons. https://www.mail-archive.com/mailop@mailop.org/msg09066.html As a hobbit* , I'm actually pretty happy this whole conversation is starting to gain more traction. My domain is always green on every test I could run (mailtester.com & all) yet…
Gonna second whoever said: Use DKIM. I actually check Spam daily now, after finding support emails whose logs got snagged in the dragnet & personal stuff — even email from my Dad got shunted to Spam. I still tip the hat, though, to Google, whose algorithms are wise enough to assiduously stow both the “jump on a call” and “donate to my campaign” emails to spam.
The vast majority of messages in my spam folder are not spam on Gmail at the moment. Most of them are from providers I've semi-regularly tried to get it to recognize as not spam for months or years. Of course Gmail also outright rejects a lot of stuff at the SMTP stage, so their filters are better than they look, but the amount of misclassification is extremely frustrating.
I like infomaniak. You can buy separate Email hosting. No EU or US jurisdiction. https://www.infomaniak.com/en/hosting/web-and-mail/mail-host... Gandi offers free email with domain registration.
As far as I can tell, they're based in Switzerland. The political pressure if either of them EU cough a bit will probably cause Swiss authorities to fall over immediately. I wouldn't consider myself safe in your position.
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Rarely have I seen such concise and respectful way of describing the typical rants I see on HN way to often, bravo! I can only wish I had your writing skills. > It's insulting to the folks that are pouring their time replying to what they think is a user in need of technical assistance, only to eventually stop replying when it becomes obvious that he only replies with questions of morality and treats most answers as…
That can be annoying... Pro tip: start by briefly acknowledging the frustration, then offer the technical solution/workaround.
People forget sometimes that the person on the other end of the screen isn’t a computer that is completely unmoved by silly things like emotion and frustration.