Ive tried thanking users for supporting my website, but I rarely get a response.
I'm not sure if they are "star struck" or are not receiving the email.
Any suggestions to confirm?
Gmail marking email from me as spam
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Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam
#182This guy has an odd (seemingly nonsensical) quote in his email signature. To a machine learning algorithm, it might look kind of like the random nonsense some spammers put in spam to corrupt Bayesian filters. He might want to try temporarily taking out that signature if he’s using that as part of his emails.
good catch. In my limited experience, complicated signatures (e.g. hotlinked images), or emails with few words and several links are most likely by gmail to be filtered as spam.
I get like 50 emails a day entirely made up of hotlinked images from companies trying to sell me shit but god forbid someone have one in their signature. Thanks google.
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#183I'm someone who uses the Cockli email service and I too often have my emails marked as spam. Makes things a little annoying.
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#184The legal naivete and indifference of otherwise technological savvy people is mind boggling. It is not the task of mail providers to block or hide email considered to be spam. It is the job of the end users, ie the email providers cusstomers and their software. Consider physical junk mail, ie the type that comes through the letter box. The post office does not decide what is junk mail or not, their job is to deliver…
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#185Earlier quoted context omitted.
The biggest problem to me with Gmails spam filter is that it is so totally hit and miss, and there seems to be no reliable way of ensuring that messages stop going to spam, even from other Gmail accounts, from people on my contact list, that I've persistently marked not spam. At this point the only reason I'm still using Gmail is sheer inertia, and it's a question of when I get time to start untangling myself from it…
Have you tried filter rules?
Yes. I've also used Google Apps and had it file e-mails from our own users as spam despite settings that's supposed to bypass it.
Meanwhile some Gmail addresses I have rarely have this problem, so it's not even consistent across accounts or domains.
The most annoying bit (and probably the first untangling from Gmail I'll be doing) is that I have my own domain hosted on Google Apps, but since my main Gmail mailbox is a different one, it's set to forward everything. It's meant to bypass all filtering and just forward. Or so the settings and support claims. It doesn't. I have to regularly log in for the sole purpose of marking things not spam.
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#186Google's making us play by their rules: 1. Our ML models see that your emails spam? You're spam. 2. You're using Tor or a VPN? Here's 10 reCaptcha's. 3. Don't use Google Webmaster or use AMPs? Good luck finding your page on the 1st page. 4. Youtube video includes education hacking tutorials? Demonetized. Obviously some alternatives are moving to Fastmail and using Duck Duck Go, but we need Google to stop this "my way…
"Moving to Fastmail" is such a popular alternative that if they ever get to any kind of reasonable size we'll be in the same position all over again. That should not be the suggestion. Many smaller providers encourages the competition necessary for an open network, not a small number of huge providers.
This looks to be a good alternative except it does not have HIPAA support.
Even though I have shut down my practice for the near future, I will still need to have information protected for several years to the Health Department's requirements for psychological records.
Email providers who lack this support will have difficulty gaining traction in the health world.
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#187The legal naivete and indifference of otherwise technological savvy people is mind boggling. It is not the task of mail providers to block or hide email considered to be spam. It is the job of the end users, ie the email providers cusstomers and their software. Consider physical junk mail, ie the type that comes through the letter box. The post office does not decide what is junk mail or not, their job is to deliver…
> Google's customers are the problem, not Google itself.
Kind-of?
Ultimately, Google's customers are relying on Google's own filtering methodology. That's normally reasonable -- for the vast majority of people the spam filter works (from the recipient's perspective) so often that the spam folder is rarely even checked for false positives.
However, Google has a scaling problem as noted by Brad Long later in the linked thread: linear scaling of human effort is too costly for them. That ultimately means that Google's services are offered on a like-it-or-leave-it basis, but leaving is made harder by the integration across the whole "Google ecosystem."
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#188I would argue in this narrow case - I would not point to nefarious undercurrents. Google's ML mail spam models are that way because there's too many bad actors. Email, even in 2019, still extremely valuable. If you can get into people's email inbox, there's still quite high conversion rate - better than clicks/videos on a pure percentage basis. Even the author wants to reach out to people in a cold fashion. As a gmai…
> I would argue in this narrow case - I would not point to nefarious undercurrents.
There are so many such 'narrow' cases, and they all just happen to work in Google's favor.
Re: Gmail marking email from me as spam
#189I would argue in this narrow case - I would not point to nefarious undercurrents. Google's ML mail spam models are that way because there's too many bad actors. Email, even in 2019, still extremely valuable. If you can get into people's email inbox, there's still quite high conversion rate - better than clicks/videos on a pure percentage basis. Even the author wants to reach out to people in a cold fashion. As a gmai…
I don't run any spam filters at all, with widely published mail addresses.
I'm getting about 2 spams per day, which doesn't really bother me.
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#190Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's curious that people have such diverging experiences with the spam filter. I think the claim that Google's filter is objectively worse should at least be supported by some evidence if you're going to make a bold statement like that. As another data point, for me and friends I it beats competitors by a large margin.
As a normal gmail user you won't notice this, all you see is that you get mail from your friends that you always mailed with. If you register on popular sites, their mail will also work. If however you are sitting on a new domain, sending mail to an old friend on gmail, it will very likely end up in the spam folder unless you are using a big provider that has reputation with google already. I guess it's another case…
Even a lot of “popular” site stuff ends up in spam. I basically have to regularly check my spam box, which previously I would look at a few times a year when a password reset or something didn’t show up.
Anti-trust regulators should specifically look at situations where Google began directly competing with other companies and those other companies gmail messages are being put in spam while Google’s messages are not. Whether or not it is intentional, it is a problem if Google is whitelisting their own stuff but not competitors.
Ultimately what is going on here is Google is using more deep learning for spam detection. Your friend’s email ending up in spam may be a false positive. It may also be a test, to see if you notice it.