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قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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> Oh, it's just an art project. Little dismissive don't you think. I get your point, but don't undervalue this project.

Well, it was done for an art collective and displayed in a museum... it is at least an art project.

I think parent was referring to that "just"

Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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If this is an ironic post, hats off to you.

Dear tsanummy, help us to find the irony in my post or better the message in your post. So, what's your point? I'd love to know what you are talking about. Just to give another example: Imagine all countries in the world had the same language and people could move freely: You had massive and full competition between all nations/cities/economies for the best people and competition is good. Nobody is locked-in because…

Where are you from?

Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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Yes, that has been a constant confusion for me since they started translating office. Why would you translate commands to another language?

I think it's supposed to be more like a DSL, aimed at non-programmers. So it may make sense to translate something like "Average", if you don't expect your target users to know english. Not as stupid as translating low level error messages.

But it should be a presentation thing. The formulas stored in the file should be the same regardless of language. There's no good reason not to.

Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

#135
This is at best useless, and at worst harmful. If we start using languages other than English for code, then we'll end up balkanizing the software world. People in humanities departments can talk about things like "Chinese Poetry" and "Continental Philosophy," but in STEM, we should be above that nonsense. I should be able to read code written anywhere in the world and understand what it does.

This is the same reason that everyone uses FORTRAN. Can you imagine if people went off and created their own "programming languages" instead? You wouldn't be able to contribute to an open source project unless it happened to be written in a language that you knew. There would be so much duplication of effort: someone would write a library for Foo Language, and someone else would do the same thing for Bar language. Job postings would ask for "Foo Developers," and you wouldn't be able to just work anywhere. Fortunately, programmers collectively decided to all use the same language. Let's not go back on that decision.

Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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This is the bane of my existence when working with Excel. I'm spending too much time figuring out that "RAND" (which is what you'd find in search) is "ZUFALLSZAHL" in German Excel (which I use at work) and "ALEATORIO" in Spanish (which I use at home).

Is this on VBA or for formulas too?

It is for spreadsheet functions, VBA is English only, but there are anyway some quirks, as an example inside VBA the decimal point (separator) is actually a point whilst /as an example in Italian) the decimal separator is a comma, and this creates often the need to convert back and forth the numbers.

Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

#137

This is at best useless, and at worst harmful. If we start using languages other than English for code, then we'll end up balkanizing the software world. People in humanities departments can talk about things like "Chinese Poetry" and "Continental Philosophy," but in STEM, we should be above that nonsense. I should be able to read code written anywhere in the world and understand what it does. This is the same reason…

I think Lojban is the only language that could work (not just for computers but humans as well). I do not see it happening anytime soon though.

For anyone who does not know what Lojban is: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lojban#Applications would be a great starting point. :)

Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

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"All modern programming tools are based on the ASCII character set, which encodes Latin Characters and was originally based on the English Language. As a result, programming has become tied to a single written culture. " And that's good. That means "we" hackers/programmers/developers/coders/whatever share something in common, no matter our culture/country/religion/beliefs/whatever. Heck, I'd even go as far as saying…

That’s good if you write language-agnostic software and live in cool english low level or web bubble. If you take any local business-logic heavy software that uses a big set of terminology, you may regret that it wasn’t written at least by transliteration (better in native). This may be less of a problem for Latin-derived languages. I met this a lot, and it is a reverse problem of what jansan described about VB. You…

Non native speakers would'nt be able to take those jobs anyways if names were untranslated and in local script.

Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

#139

This is at best useless, and at worst harmful. If we start using languages other than English for code, then we'll end up balkanizing the software world. People in humanities departments can talk about things like "Chinese Poetry" and "Continental Philosophy," but in STEM, we should be above that nonsense. I should be able to read code written anywhere in the world and understand what it does. This is the same reason…

Wait, was the last 30 years some Picard-and-the-flute dream? Thank God! Hopefully the next FORTRAN version will keep the name all-caps.

Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic

#140

This is at best useless, and at worst harmful. If we start using languages other than English for code, then we'll end up balkanizing the software world. People in humanities departments can talk about things like "Chinese Poetry" and "Continental Philosophy," but in STEM, we should be above that nonsense. I should be able to read code written anywhere in the world and understand what it does. This is the same reason…

I have a feeling a lot of art projects in history have been described as “at best useless, and at worst harmful“. For example leonardo da vinci’s bicycle.

Even if that is true, here or in the other art projects, the purpose is to evoke some aort of response, to capture attention and to provoke discussion.

And by this measure and judging firom the comments here this has been a resounding success :)

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