OT: Languages are the biggest lock-in + market barrier for others an economy has (best example is China). Great that English has got even bigger as a lingua france since the Internet started. I think every try to spread local languages is just wasted time. I am rather afraid that more tech leadership comes from China (I am looking at all the Chinese Githup repo READMEs).
قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic
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Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is beautiful, but it's a barrier also. I don't think you should be barred from learning to code because you don't speak a language which uses the Latin/ASCII character set.
Missing the point... Everyone has to jump that barrier so that there's no barrier between us, which is much more important.
I think this point is vital, and yet completely lost in the current zeitgeist. Shared foundations matter. Without them, we can't communicate effectively.
Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic
#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it never caught on, even in Francophone countries I started programming at least 4 years before I started learning English. In my experience, not knowing what "if" means doesn't change anything because I never thought of code as prose. Whether it's called "if", "si", or "wenn", all that changes in my head is "what's the magic word that I have to insert before I can branch my code?". This, I believe, it's why locali…
Agreed. I started to program in BASIC some 7 years before I started to learn English. I had no idea what PRINT or LET meant and was able to program without any problems. Hm, even today, I have not idea why "for" is used for loops (?) and I'm using it without any problems.
Hmm, never thought about it either. I'd guess a contraction of "for each value..."
Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic
#64Oh, it's just an art project. We haven't yet seen a serious non-English programming language. One would have expected one in Chinese or Japanese by now. There was COBOL in French, once, with French words and word order, but it never caught on, even in Francophone countries.
Never understand why non English programming language would exist except for identity politics reason, nowadays.
It is not like using non English languages would change paradigm programming itself.
Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed. I started to program in BASIC some 7 years before I started to learn English. I had no idea what PRINT or LET meant and was able to program without any problems. Hm, even today, I have not idea why "for" is used for loops (?) and I'm using it without any problems.
Native English speaker and I also don't really get what "for" was meant to mean. At this point it's probably just something that everyone has memorised and part of history.
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Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic
#66Oh, it's just an art project. We haven't yet seen a serious non-English programming language. One would have expected one in Chinese or Japanese by now. There was COBOL in French, once, with French words and word order, but it never caught on, even in Francophone countries.
I had to work with WinDEV for some time, in a French speaking environment, with every single keyword and library API translated. That was a terrible experience (I’m native French speaker).
Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic
#67Earlier quoted context omitted.
Agreed. I started to program in BASIC some 7 years before I started to learn English. I had no idea what PRINT or LET meant and was able to program without any problems. Hm, even today, I have not idea why "for" is used for loops (?) and I'm using it without any problems.
Native English speaker and I also don't really get what "for" was meant to mean. At this point it's probably just something that everyone has memorised and part of history.
I'm not a native speaker, but "perform this task, for i in {1,2,3}" seems to make sense as a prose. At least it does in French, when translated literally.
Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic
#68"All modern programming tools are based on the ASCII character set, which encodes Latin Characters and was originally based on the English Language. As a result, programming has become tied to a single written culture. " And that's good. That means "we" hackers/programmers/developers/coders/whatever share something in common, no matter our culture/country/religion/beliefs/whatever. Heck, I'd even go as far as saying…
ASCII doesn't deal with (local) extensions of the Latin alphabet (in particular not diacritics), but to say ASCII is based on English... They are the basic Latin chars, no more, no less.
>to say ASCII is based on English... They are the basic Latin chars, no more, no less.
Bring back the Þorn! :D
Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
> it never caught on, even in Francophone countries I started programming at least 4 years before I started learning English. In my experience, not knowing what "if" means doesn't change anything because I never thought of code as prose. Whether it's called "if", "si", or "wenn", all that changes in my head is "what's the magic word that I have to insert before I can branch my code?". This, I believe, it's why locali…
Agreed. I started to program in BASIC some 7 years before I started to learn English. I had no idea what PRINT or LET meant and was able to program without any problems. Hm, even today, I have not idea why "for" is used for loops (?) and I'm using it without any problems.
Originally it was a Anglicization of "für" in German first used in a programming language called Superplan which was then picked up upon by FORTRAN and then it just stuck
Re: قلب: a non-ASCII programming language written in Arabic
#70OT: Languages are the biggest lock-in + market barrier for others an economy has (best example is China). Great that English has got even bigger as a lingua france since the Internet started. I think every try to spread local languages is just wasted time. I am rather afraid that more tech leadership comes from China (I am looking at all the Chinese Githup repo READMEs).
If this is an ironic post, hats off to you.