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Re: BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror

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Post by flatiron »

make3 wrote: post #201
class4behavior wrote: post #51

Since no one posted that, yet: Tor relies on the size the of its network to counteract blocks, prevent take overs, and naturally ensure stability as well as performance. You can either donate to various groups running Tor servers, the developers, or take part on your own. https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Tor https://www.torservers.net/ https://www.dfri.se/donera/ https://nos-oignons.net/ https://donate.torproject.org…

legal question here for someone who knows what they're doing, if you run a node and illegal activity is performed, are you complicit to the illegal activity?

Answered in tors faq. No.

Re: BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror

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Post by jdnenej »

make3 wrote: post #201
class4behavior wrote: post #51

Since no one posted that, yet: Tor relies on the size the of its network to counteract blocks, prevent take overs, and naturally ensure stability as well as performance. You can either donate to various groups running Tor servers, the developers, or take part on your own. https://www.noisebridge.net/wiki/Tor https://www.torservers.net/ https://www.dfri.se/donera/ https://nos-oignons.net/ https://donate.torproject.org…

legal question here for someone who knows what they're doing, if you run a node and illegal activity is performed, are you complicit to the illegal activity?

Obviously not all of the time because otherwise ISPs, VPNs, postal services could not run. I think what is more of an issue is constantly having to prove you were not involved when police come investigate.

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Post by StavrosK »

jgrahamc wrote: post #121
zimbatm wrote: post #101

Imagine if CloudFlare or another CDN provider were to automatically public websites on Tor. This would be huge to drive legitimate traffic into the system. It should be trivial to publish your content on Tor as well as the clear web.

You mean like the Cloudflare Onion Service that we launched a year ago: https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-onion-service/ It performs an automatic upgrade to use the .onion from Cloudflare if you use TBB (and Brave).

I've always wanted to use this (and enabled it on all my sites, e.g. www.stavros.io), but it has never worked for me, I can always see the alt-svc header in the response (using TBB 9.0).

Re: BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror

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Post by StavrosK »

davidcollantes wrote: post #44
dev_north_east wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes I understand that. 1 - Can the same not be achieved via VPN usage? 2 - Can TOR browsers not already access the BBC in the "clearnet"? 3 - Why do I, as a UK resident, have to provide money so that someone in Vietnam can access our state news?

> Can the same not be achieved via VPN usage? You will need to use a VPN provider (often for a fee). Tor comes at no cost. > Can TOR browsers not already access the BBC in the "clearnet"? I don't understand this question. > Why do I, as a UK resident, have to provide money so that someone in Vietnam can access our state news? It doesn't cost anything extra to run a Tor mirror.

> I don't understand this question.

The GP is saying that someone using the Tor browser could simply just visit bbc.com already. However, they'd have to exit the network, whereas with an .onion address they don't.

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Post by tenebrisalietum »

abstractbarista wrote: post #151

Many of you with homelabs ought to check out how to run a Tor relay or bridge. It's been fun setting mine up, and after a while I started getting lots of traffic! No data cap on a symmetric fiber connection, so I might as well share the love!

This is different from an exit node, right?

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Post by zimbatm »

jgrahamc wrote: post #121
zimbatm wrote: post #101

Imagine if CloudFlare or another CDN provider were to automatically public websites on Tor. This would be huge to drive legitimate traffic into the system. It should be trivial to publish your content on Tor as well as the clear web.

You mean like the Cloudflare Onion Service that we launched a year ago: https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-onion-service/ It performs an automatic upgrade to use the .onion from Cloudflare if you use TBB (and Brave).

wow nice!

Re: BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror

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Post by x0 »

zahllos wrote: post #240
class4behavior wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Like, how do I know any of those links aren't the NSA? Well, I've only linked to communities listed by the Tor Project itself. Otherwise, the same way you would check whether HN or your local tea store is the NSA. You do your own research, run your own risk analysis, and if you want to stay sane, by default you give people the benefit of the doubt. Generally, it's best not to run Tor relays from home as services wil…

> Generally, it's best not to run Tor relays from home as services will start to blacklist your IP as a proxy. I think this also specifically refers to exit nodes, no ? Running an intermediate relay should be fine as you'll only be shuffling encrypted tor traffic to other relays.

That should be fine, but seriously check with your ISP first. They tend to not really understand the difference between middle relay and exit node, and in their heads, tor == bad.

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Post by als0 »

steeleduncan wrote: post #243
edm0nd wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Relays that are detected or flagged as malicious get quickly removed from the network, https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/badRelays More reading: https://blog.torproject.org/how-report-bad-relays

That page talks about malicious relays in the sense that they spoil traffic either through incompetence or malfeasance. What I am thinking about is the hypothetical case that 3000 of the 6000 active relays today had been started and operated by Eve over the last few years according to Tor guidelines and without any external sign that the nodes were centrally controlled. If that were true it would be hard for a user t…

You’re not misunderstanding Tor. Indeed, if you control more than 50% of the nodes then you can feasibly deanonymize clients.

Tor circuits tend to go through many countries and rarely do they go through the same country twice. Not sure if this is part of the node selection criteria. But if you can’t have two nodes within a circuit go through the same country, and someone identifies you, then you’re dealing with a hell of a global adversary.

FWIW I think many people are concerned more about being monitored by their local governments rather than foreign ones.

Re: BBC News launches 'dark web' Tor mirror

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Post by driverdan »

snagglegaggle wrote: post #233
driverdan wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Both if possible. A Pi 3 can saturate its ethernet adapter (~50Mbps) running a Tor relay. It's reasonably straightforward to setup. You shouldn't run exit nodes from a home connection due to possible abuse. If a person uses it to do something illegal you may end up with law enforcement busting down your door. Relays are safe though.

At least in the US law enforcement can't charge you with anything. More people need to run exit relays, especially from home, so it becomes an accepted use.

If you want to run an exit node do it on a hosting service. You can get a VPS for $5/m. Why risk getting arrested by running it at home?
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