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VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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Post by richardw »

OnlineGladiator wrote: post #33
d1zzy wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know how much Dieselgate has affected VW's bottom line but what I do know is that as a consequence of the scandal: - new cars now come with 6 years warranty which is more than anything anywhere in that price range - their second hand car program is great, includes 2 years of manufacturer warranty. Last time I wanted to buy a compact I very seriously considered getting a 2015 VW Golf diesel, it includes all fu…

> - new cars now come with 6 years warranty which is more than anything anywhere in that price range As someone who took advantage of this deal, this no longer applies starting in 2020. https://www.usatoday.com/story/money/cars/2019/08/01/volkswa... Also it's fairly well known that 2019 GTIs (a pretty popular car) has a serious defect that has already started the process to begin a formal recall. It's believed that V…

I just paid around $3000 to replace pistons on a golf 7 with 73000km. Supposedly they know it's a fault but no local support aside from reducing the parts price. Initial quote was around $4000. Not loving VW. Never buying another until it's electric.

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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Post by everdrive »

natch wrote: post #42
boznz wrote: post #12

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Demand will be there once you can charge on every corner and they start making cars that don't cost double the gas equivalent

Someone on reddit recently bought a new Tesla for $30,000 after incentives (not counting savings on gas, oil, brake pads, and other maintenance). Sure that is double the price of some bottom rung cars but $30k is pretty common these days.

That’s more a reflection of how much people are wasting money these days than what a “reasonable” car is.

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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Post by loceng »

RobertRoberts wrote: post #72
blhack wrote: post #59

WHY do these vehicles always have to look so freaking dorky? This is one of the things that Tesla nailed. Their vehicles are beautiful, and look like first-class products. This, the "ID-3" looks like a prius. I'm sure it's a fine car, and I really do love EVs, but man oh man I wish the designers would take a page from Tesla's book. edit: to be clear, my current car (that my wife and I share) is a chrysler pacifica mi…

I think this is pretty subjective. My preferences have changed over the years, and I think this is a pretty cool design. Call me super dork I guess...

Indeed, what people like is strongly tied to personality.

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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Post by vkou »

blhack wrote: post #59

WHY do these vehicles always have to look so freaking dorky? This is one of the things that Tesla nailed. Their vehicles are beautiful, and look like first-class products. This, the "ID-3" looks like a prius. I'm sure it's a fine car, and I really do love EVs, but man oh man I wish the designers would take a page from Tesla's book. edit: to be clear, my current car (that my wife and I share) is a chrysler pacifica mi…

> WHY do these vehicles always have to look so freaking dorky?

Because when the first Prius launched, it looked like a normal car.

Nobody wanted to buy one.

The second-generation Prius had an incredibly conspicuous shape, and it sold like hotcakes.

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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Post by Ninn »

izacus wrote: post #66
viklove wrote: post #64

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It looks like a Golf... It's a very classic design for VW.

More like the Polo, the cheapest and smallest of the VWs. For me it's also not an appealing look for such an expensive vehicle.

The ID.3 is more spacious than a golf.

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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Post by BeetleB »

lnsru wrote: post #55
ravedave5 wrote: post #52

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Porsche (a division of VW) is not vaporware in the EV space.

Porsche isn’t mainstream car. It’s a toy for riches, not for salaried employees. Edit: I was wrong. I could lease Macan for ~700€/month.

Plenty of salaried employees buy Teslas, and Porsches are similarly priced.

Anyone can buy a Porsche with a payment plan. Unfortunately, I know someone who did.

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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Post by dsfyu404ed »

r00fus wrote: post #84
kevin_thibedeau wrote: post #69

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Aerodynamics dictates some form of Kammback. Tesla is leaving potential efficiency gains on the table by going with a "normal" shape.

Tesla has some of the best drag coefficients in the industry (0.23 cd for Model3). Only some specialized versions of other vehicles get better than that.

The model 3 is a kammback. It's just much more gradual than a Prius because they have much more length to work with.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kammback

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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Post by petre »

viklove wrote: post #64
blhack wrote: post #59

WHY do these vehicles always have to look so freaking dorky? This is one of the things that Tesla nailed. Their vehicles are beautiful, and look like first-class products. This, the "ID-3" looks like a prius. I'm sure it's a fine car, and I really do love EVs, but man oh man I wish the designers would take a page from Tesla's book. edit: to be clear, my current car (that my wife and I share) is a chrysler pacifica mi…

It looks like a Golf... It's a very classic design for VW.

Not really, it looks like a VW Up. I used to think the BMW i3 was butt ugly but then realised that if it's not light coloured it looks okay. Then the ID.3 was announced. Whatever. Their ICE entry level cars are totally worthless with that VW Up 3 cylinder 1L engine they install on just about every model. I wouldn't be surprised if they equipped a Touareg with that coffee grinder excuse of a "poweplant".

Re: VW’s $50B Bet on an Electric Hatchback

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Post by danans »

r00fus wrote: post #78
viklove wrote: post #64

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It looks like a Golf... It's a very classic design for VW.

Yeah, it's basically eGolf v2 (or v3?) with a decent range. I considered an eGolf - I think it looks nice.

IIUC, the eGolf was built on an existing ICE vehicle platform. The ID3 is built on a ground-up designed EV platform. So really, they are totally different vehicles.
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