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Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by saucoidev » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 7:02 PM UTC

Lendal wrote: post #386

xrd wrote: post #195

Snowden's book really speaks to me on so many levels. As a hacker, as a boy growing up in the new age of the Internet. As a person who experienced 9/11 and never aligned with the direction it took the USA. As a person who questions my identity and the messages I get about identity on a daily basis. He will be remembered for a long time because of the actions he took, but if he had not done anything else, his book wou…

I used to agree with this but now that I've seen where this path leads, I think he should be given a fair trial and judged. Our government and the security of 350M US citizens cannot be held at the whim of a single hacker, no matter how right he believed himself to be. Our Congress has 535 members for precisely this reason, the president answers to Congress and is not a king, and even the Chief Justice does not rule…

He exposed illegal actions by the government, and as far as i know there hasn't been a trial for that, just a flurry of laws passed to justify what was done after the fact.

What can you do, when the institution you should report illegal acts to, is the one perpetrating them?

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by [deleted] » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 7:03 PM UTC

Lendal wrote: post #386

xrd wrote: post #195

Snowden's book really speaks to me on so many levels. As a hacker, as a boy growing up in the new age of the Internet. As a person who experienced 9/11 and never aligned with the direction it took the USA. As a person who questions my identity and the messages I get about identity on a daily basis. He will be remembered for a long time because of the actions he took, but if he had not done anything else, his book wou…

I used to agree with this but now that I've seen where this path leads, I think he should be given a fair trial and judged. Our government and the security of 350M US citizens cannot be held at the whim of a single hacker, no matter how right he believed himself to be. Our Congress has 535 members for precisely this reason, the president answers to Congress and is not a king, and even the Chief Justice does not rule…

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Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by hnbroseph » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 7:08 PM UTC

carapace wrote: post #369

rpmisms wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And you're welcome to that opinion, just as he's welcome to his. That's kind of the point here. Opinions are valid, even if they're stupid.

(I don't want to wade in here really, but I have to take exception to your statement: Stupid opinions are not valid.)

perhaps it's a category error to apply the notion of 'validity' to opinions.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by nradov » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 7:10 PM UTC

meowface wrote: post #382

nradov wrote: post #83

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I had the opposite impression. Bostrom is just making up nonsense, then dressing it with fancy words and big numbers to prevent people from calling out his bullshit. It's the opposite of clear. If you look a little deeper he has nothing meaningful to offer in any field.

His argument is extremely clear. It's just unclear to anyone with absolutely no background knowledge, like Joe. He didn't explain it in the clearest way on the podcast because Joe was missing a lot of necessary basics, but if he sat down with Joe for longer and perhaps drew a diagram or something, I think he'd get it.

Perhaps "clear" isn't the right word. Sometimes when someone is spouting total nonsense I initially assume that I didn't understand them clearly because obviously no educated, articulate person could actually be that stupid. Let's give him the benefit of the doubt, right? But no, in Bostrom's case it's total unsupported bullshit all the way down regardless of whether he's talking about AGI / singularity / simulations / etc. A complete and utter waste of time. It's disappointing that he's managed to con so many otherwise intelligent people into taking him seriously and buying his books.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by dhimes » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 7:11 PM UTC

artiste wrote: post #400

resters wrote: post #184

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That’s not what it was. The guy was venting about how irritating he finds trans people.

Except he's actually had trans people like Eddie Izzard on and they got on just fine, so this is obviously wrong. He takes issue with trans females competing in female sports.

And it's not like he's alone in this- the authoritative bodies charged with protecting the sports are starting to think the same thing.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by __s » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 7:12 PM UTC

pennaMan wrote: post #258

KnMn wrote: post #131

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Oh, man. I completely disagree. I feel like he just talks and talks about whatever he wants to talk about with almost no regard for whether his technical language is being understood or if he's dominating the discussion or anything like that. I don't think I've seen him develop a natural rapport with anyone or even make a firm, memorable point in an interview. I'll always be grateful for his leaks but over 2.5 hours…

You'll love the John Carmack episode then :)

For reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udlMSe5-zP8

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by vfc1 » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 7:12 PM UTC

weavie wrote: post #312

vfc1 wrote: post #88

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Be careful, because his podcast is a bit of an echo chamber. The other day he set up a debate on nutrition where he covered the topic of heart disease, and he put a cardiologist (Dr. Khan) with 20 years of experience debating with an acupuncturist (Kris Kresser) on the causes of heart disease. And he kept interrupting the doctor and taking the acupuncturist side on the most absurd claims. He is also into things like…

If this is the Chris Kresser you are referring to - https://chriskresser.com/ - he is a lot more than just an acupuncturist.

He does have a popular blog, but take a look - https://chriskresser.com/about/

Chris Kresser, M.S., L.Ac. - "M.S. L.Ac." means Master of Science, Licensed Acupuncturist. This is his formal training, all I'm saying is that he shouldn't be presented as an expert to Joe Rogan's audience in the topic he was interviewed on.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by CWuestefeld » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 7:13 PM UTC

Lendal wrote: post #386

xrd wrote: post #195

Snowden's book really speaks to me on so many levels. As a hacker, as a boy growing up in the new age of the Internet. As a person who experienced 9/11 and never aligned with the direction it took the USA. As a person who questions my identity and the messages I get about identity on a daily basis. He will be remembered for a long time because of the actions he took, but if he had not done anything else, his book wou…

I used to agree with this but now that I've seen where this path leads, I think he should be given a fair trial and judged. Our government and the security of 350M US citizens cannot be held at the whim of a single hacker, no matter how right he believed himself to be. Our Congress has 535 members for precisely this reason, the president answers to Congress and is not a king, and even the Chief Justice does not rule…

He should be judged fairly by a jury of his peers and that trial should be held in a transparent, fair and open trial for all to see.

The government won't let that happen. They'll say that, for national security reasons, the public can't be allowed to know the actual impact of the secrets he disclosed. And if we can't see the impact, it's impossible to weigh judgment.

Democracy can't work in the face of such secrecy.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by kup0 » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 7:15 PM UTC

If I watch anymore JRE at all it's going to be in a "private" tab. Not that Youtube recommendations/suggestions are good anyway, but watching JRE absolutely destroys them

Though, as much airtime as Rogan has given to conspiracy theories- I guess it makes sense that it turns my recommendations into absolute nonsense

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by redisman » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 7:16 PM UTC

0898 wrote: post #174

The success of Joe Rogan is fascinating and encouraging. For a long time there was a view that attention spans were diminishing. Facebook and Tik Tok reduced content to the smallest possible dosage. But look at this. This is one of the world's most popular podcasts and it's nearly three hours long. You see it too in TV: what is a Netflix series but a 13 hour movie? I see a definite trend towards long form content rig…

I think thats Podcasts as a medium in general. IMHO Rogan could use pretty heavy editing, I guess people like having it on in the background or something.