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Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by asdfman123 » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 5:03 PM UTC

0x445442 wrote: post #196

mr_overalls wrote: post #177

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It's incredible to me that someone can be this willfully blind. POTUS has been the subject of multiple investigations because he has a long and ongoing history of doing incredibly shady things - money laundering, tax evasion, consorting with Russian mafiya figures, _openly_ soliciting interference in American elections from Russia. And now we know he's done the same with Ukraine.

You're selectively choosing where you get your information which is the real crux of the problem; there is no "news" anymore, only opinions and narratives put forth for political and financial gain. The comment elsewhere in this thread about the failure of the 4th estate is the relevant one.

Everything is a narrative. The problem in this day and age is we can't agree on compatible narratives. There are truths, but there is no objective political truth.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by AndrewBissell » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 5:05 PM UTC

hos234 wrote: post #323

nickysielicki wrote: post #212

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Bull. Shit. > If you read the history (and these days there are tons of resources) this sequence of events (of overreach) has unfolded a thousand times. There are a whole bunch programmes that have been shutdown because one group or the other got carried away or did damage. There are many such programs, says you, and yet you fail to name even one. There has never been this level of government overreach -- if only bec…

I didn't provide links, cause they are well known and easy to find. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass-Observation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Camelot https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_warfare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Abandoned_military_pr...

I don't really get what the line of argument is here, exactly. The CIA & FBI engaged in massive abuses in the past, including psychological and biological experimentation on unwitting US subjects, so therefore we should be blasé about their ongoing mass surveillance program (which, incidentally, has the potential for much more wide-reaching political and societal damage than anything that's come before it)?

I guess one could also argue for calm on the basis that the Stasi once existed and these days East Germany is an okay place.

And the solutions to these issues are perfectly well known: the intelligence agencies need to be curtailed and reined in, and their ability to indefinitely store massive reams of data about every private citizen brought to an end.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by jsgo » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 5:06 PM UTC

watt3rpig wrote: post #346

I love the long form discussion. I feel I can actually here someones thoughts and perspectives rather than short meaningless soundbites. The lack of guests shouting over each other is great as well. He has also exposed me to some wonderful thinkers like Sean Carrol who I otherwise would not have come across.

to be honest, he's made me appreciate Ben Shapiro which didn't feel incredibly likely going in.

Prior to that, my experience with Shapiro was the stupid videos people would share on Facebook of him "OWNING the libs." So I expected an absolutely terrible interview where I was going to be disgusted with the guy constantly. Granted, I don't agree with him on a lot, much at all really, but when he's just talking out his views on points, I appreciated the candor as to reasoning for various things on his end.

My takeaway from it, outside of the "for the clicks" YouTube videos that are shared, is that while I may not agree with him on a lot, when he is explaining his points and not going for the jugular, I feel like he isn't questioning my intelligence by tossing various falsehoods at me constantly that I then have to go look up. Instead, it is typically analysis of a situation followed by a conclusion I don't personally reach typically.

And had it not been for the Shapiro interviews on JRE, I'd have just continued to outright ignore this guy as another "provocateur" out for the clicks and shares.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by AndrewBissell » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 5:09 PM UTC

Ididntdothis wrote: post #265

Mirioron wrote: post #248

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And this is why we need to care more and more about this issue as a society.

True. With current and soon to be tech we can build surveillance much more pervasive than what the book 1984 describes. It feels like it’s almost inevitable for this to happen.

It's only "inevitable" because so many people are proscribing the boundaries of political and legislative action on the issue by discussing it with this sense of fatalistic unavoidability. The mere existence of this technology does not imply that the NSA & CIA have to construct a massive data center in Utah which stores all internet traffic forever -- that is a political choice.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by jchoca » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 5:11 PM UTC

Ajedi32 wrote: post #190

vfc1 wrote: post #88

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Be careful, because his podcast is a bit of an echo chamber. The other day he set up a debate on nutrition where he covered the topic of heart disease, and he put a cardiologist (Dr. Khan) with 20 years of experience debating with an acupuncturist (Kris Kresser) on the causes of heart disease. And he kept interrupting the doctor and taking the acupuncturist side on the most absurd claims. He is also into things like…

> his podcast is a bit of an echo chamber. > The other day he set up a debate on nutrition where he covered the topic of heart disease, and he put a cardiologist (Dr. Khan) with 20 years of experience debating with an acupuncturist (Kris Kresser) on the causes of heart disease. And he kept interrupting the doctor and taking the acupuncturist side on the most absurd claims I haven't listened that episode, or really ma…

Having guests with opposing views doesn't make it less of an echo chamber when the host is totally biased towards one of the opposing viewpoints.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by blotter_paper » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 5:11 PM UTC

CamperBob2 wrote: post #310

program_whiz wrote: post #229

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“the ultimate aim of government is not to rule, or restrain by fear, nor to exact obedience, but to free every man from fear that he may live in all possible security... In fact the true aim of government is liberty.” ― Baruch Spinoza

That makes no sense. Perfect liberty and perfect security are mutually exclusive.

I tend to agree with your sentiments, and my political comments are typically pretty anarchistic, but I don't think we should let language become a barrier to communication instead of a bridge. I can understand how some conceptions of "liberty" are increased by certain security measures. If you can safely have a picnic in the park, you have the liberty of safely picnicing. If the park is full of bandits who consistently take baskets from picnicers, you've lost the liberty of safe picnics even if the official government isn't the one who took that liberty from you.

Again, I'm not arguing for increased security, just for understanding the way others use language.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by zeppelin101 » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 5:13 PM UTC

MrGLaDOS wrote: post #126

yodsanklai wrote: post #102

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I really like Joe Rogan, and the format of its podcast. I don't know other medias where they let people speak for three hours. I was suspicious the first time I listened to him. I thought, can this beefy archetypical MMA dude say anything interesting? actually he can. He's at ease with all types of guests, he just seems to be an outspoken, honest guy. I agree that he tends to bring up his favorite topics all the time…

I am sure there are many others, but these three shows feature long-form interviews which feature interesting guests: The Ezra Klein Show - Ezra Klein Making sense podcast - Sam Harris 80000 hours podcast - Rob Wiblin [1] https://www.vox.com/ezra-klein-show-podcast [2] https://samharris.org/podcast/ [3] https://80000hours.org/podcast/

Those are great recommendations - thanks! I was already a follower of the Sam Harris podcast, but the other two I did not know about.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by hanklazard » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 5:16 PM UTC

throw0101a wrote: post #335

hanklazard wrote: post #107

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Narduar is my favorite example of a master interviewer. Watch him leave Pharrell speechless multiple times (starting around the 5:15 mark is a good example). This guy does his homework better than anyone. https://youtu.be/5RKbSi87J5Q

My go-to examples of people going from skeptical to "WTF?" are Waka Flocka Flame: * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rMyvB2wAXYI And A$AP Rocky * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8IYpVF_S5M He also seems to be able to 'find' people just before they really make it big/mainstream, like Kendrick Lamer, Billie Eilish, and Tyler the Creator. I heard about them from Narduar before anywhere else.

Will check him out, thanks for the tip!

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by AndrewBissell » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 5:18 PM UTC

noelsusman wrote: post #334

davidwitt415 wrote: post #309

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The continuity was in foreign policy. Obama, like GW Bush and Clinton, deferred to the 'Deep State' on foreign policy, military and security matters. He started out idealistic, but was quickly subsumed. Trump has bucked the System, and that is why the bipartisan knives are out for him.

You should probably tell the blob that because to this day they have nothing but complaints about Obama's foreign policy.

The blob will always be dissatisfied because there is always one more country to invade and one more way to escalate a conflict, and eventually any U.S. politician has to stop giving the blob what it desires if they want to get reelected.

Relative to what Hillary Clinton's or Marco Rubio's foreign policy would have been, sure, Obama was a model of probity, but this is damning with faint praise.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by noodle » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 5:22 PM UTC

sb057 wrote: post #235

0898 wrote: post #174

The success of Joe Rogan is fascinating and encouraging. For a long time there was a view that attention spans were diminishing. Facebook and Tik Tok reduced content to the smallest possible dosage. But look at this. This is one of the world's most popular podcasts and it's nearly three hours long. You see it too in TV: what is a Netflix series but a 13 hour movie? I see a definite trend towards long form content rig…

With old media (specifically television and newsprint) "information bandwidth" was restricted to a limited number of channels and pages. This meant there had to be a calculation where the editors had to maximize the audience by making the content short enough to not lose the easily distracted, but long enough to be engaging. High-speed internet has blown open the information bandwidth cap so that now content can be c…

I feel like there's also something to be said about old media and their revenue models. Commercial breaks are written in to most shows, and show length matters.

With newer media, it doesn't matter if you have a 22 minute episode 1 and a 47 minute episode 2 - you create the scene, shot and/or episode length that works for you artistically.