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Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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post #142

Macos used to not have a yearly schedule. New versions took the time they needed. I think it's actually a better model, it allows engineers the time to test and make sure things work. Having arbitrary deadlines just increases the amount of crunch time which usually increases the amount of bugs. Other than that, I wish that Apple did another Snow Leopard and focused for one year purely on fixing bugs in macos x instea…

To expand on your point, Snow Leopard came out 2 years after Leopard did.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Yesterday a coworker was frustrated with his computers, and said something insightful: "When software gets past a certain age it just gets bad." He was referring primarily to Android and Windows (10) but it applies to every piece of software that suffers from feature creep. If it's a cash cow they have to keep stuffing new things in and periodically repainting it to make it look new again. Around 10.9, MacOS reached…

I'm reading this on a late-2013 MBP retina running 10.9.5 and not only does it do everything I need it to do, "upgrading" from here would actually cause me to lose essential functionality (which is why I haven't done it). I have a stash of replacement MBPs to replace this one with when it finally does die, but I don't know what I'm going to do when they're all gone because AFAICT everything Apple is producing nowadays is shit and everything else on the market is vastly worse. Sometimes contemplating the future (or even the present) causes me to sink into deep existential despair because I remember what the world was like when there was a company that made computers that Just Worked.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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post #71

The only iOS 13 bugs I’ve been bitten by are: 1. Safari’s back button now seems to lose the position on the previous page - sometimes. 2. The share sheet has a row of Messages contacts that I didn’t ask for, don’t want, and can’t turn off - and it creates the risk of super-inappropriate sharing, because all my work contacts are eligible for being on this row, seemingly at random.

#2 is infuriating. If they don't fix this I'm going to have to stop using the phone. It's asinine such a list isn't customizable. I text my girlfriend the most, and she isn't even in that list half the time! At the very least it should be a list of whoever you texted last, in chronological order, but it's fucking random.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I believe the contacts list you’re referring to is generated by AirDrop based on nearby contacts. You can’t reorder it or edit the list but you can turn it off using Settings for AirDrop.

I believe the contacts list you’re referring to is generated by AirDrop based on nearby contacts The 12 year old girl across the street who helps me walk our dogs on a regular basis (hence why she's in that bar), whose father works for Google, and has an Android phone is most certainly not showing up due to AirDrop when I'm in my living room. And I'm with parent comment: I DO NOT WANT 12 year old girls to be one acci…

Only one of the settings is limited to contacts; AirDrop can also be set to find “everyone”, which probably uses WiFi Connect or some other trickery to locate nearby devices even on other platforms.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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post #237

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But as I've been saying for a few years now, most people don't want to drive . They'd much rather be driven so they can mess with their phones.

I want to be driven because it's safer and usually more relaxing, even though I like to drive. And I want my Bluetooth connection to work flawlessly but it never does.

Or the Bluetooth connection works, but does random things you can't change. The last rental car I had, upon connection, forced Spotify to re-open and start playing the last playlist. Even if Spotify was closed.

Some entertaining solutions I found online include a playlist that includes only silent tracks and switching to that playlist before you turn off the car, or canceling Spotify Premium so you can no longer download/cache songs, giving you enough time to mute before Spotify's cloud can stream the song to the car.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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post #27

The way I've heard one company deal with noticing non-crashing bugs is to treat warning logs as 'crashes' with backtrace snapshots and upload them as specially tagged non-fatal crashes. Might help apple see if clients are having specific icloud issues.

Apple has been doing exactly this for many years. [0] It appears to have become public API 3 years ago, but that says nothing about when it was used internally.

The difficulty is in identifying, in advance, what’s an unusual but recoverable situation, and what’s a bad bug.

[0] https://developer.apple.com/documentation/os/os_log_fault

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

#267

Yesterday a coworker was frustrated with his computers, and said something insightful: "When software gets past a certain age it just gets bad." He was referring primarily to Android and Windows (10) but it applies to every piece of software that suffers from feature creep. If it's a cash cow they have to keep stuffing new things in and periodically repainting it to make it look new again. Around 10.9, MacOS reached…

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Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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That doesn't make sense. None of this has changed from previous updates and all previous macOS updates were far more stable than this one. This isn't a particularly feature laden update either. But now all of a sudden we get catastrophic (deleted emails) and less catastrophic (missing Music playlists) data loss, crash bugs and generally weird behaviour of many apps. I have identified one particular area where bugs ar…

That’s not accurate. This year had Catalyst and SwiftUI which sucked a lot of manpower from dev tools and frameworks.

I think Catalyst and SwiftUI are rather isolated activities at this point. I would be surprised if there was much overlap with teams working on iCloud and user facing apps. But I have no inside knowledge obviously.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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post #104

I have a slightly different take on this. I think every company should dedicate a certain percentage of their revenue to handling bug reports from users. Yes, many bug reports will be bogus, but many will be pure gold (I speak from experience). Yes, it involves a lot of manual work. But it is so incredibly worth it — you get to catch the odd bugs that you will never catch with automated or in-house testing. In contra…

> If Apple also spent 10% of its revenue on processing bug reports and fixing bugs Just to be clear, you're suggesting they dedicate $25B/year to bug fixing? Seems high, given their total R&D budget for 2018 was only ~56% of that. https://www.macrumors.com/2018/11/05/apple-2018-form-10-k-hi...

That would be a serious cut into their stock buybacks!

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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post #82
post #5

I can only surmise (hope) that their resources are diverted towards Something Big. Could be ARM macOS and/or AR glasses. Not that this excuses the bugginess of their current core products. Bringing up comparisons to Steve Jobs must be the tech equivalent of Godwin's Law, but if there was one thing about him, it's that he actually was a user of his own products, like us. It feels like there's no one at Apple (or other…

>Bringing up comparisons to Steve Jobs must be the tech equivalent of Godwin's Law, but if there was one thing about him, it's that he actually was a user of his own products, like us. It feels like there's no one at Apple (or other companies) like that anymore. They can only try to guess at what it must be like to be a user, so they can't nitpick all the little things that annoy us. Exactly this. As he famously said…

> I could only wish he was replying email on this latest MacBook Pro and decide to throw the damn thing out of the Window. Calling up Engineers at midnight and demand this to be fix or redesigned ASAP.

I think part of Apple's issue is that Cook isn't that the guy at the top isn't a product guy -- it's the guy at the top could do (and from some rumors, possibly does?) his job with an iPad. I feel like, under Cook's tenure as CEO, the Mac has lagged, while the iPad significantly improved. Part of that is that the Mac was a mature platform when he took over, but a big part of that is that Cook can provide some of that Jobs-ian top-down product feedback that designers must listen to.

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