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Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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I have a slightly different take on this. I think every company should dedicate a certain percentage of their revenue to handling bug reports from users. Yes, many bug reports will be bogus, but many will be pure gold (I speak from experience). Yes, it involves a lot of manual work. But it is so incredibly worth it — you get to catch the odd bugs that you will never catch with automated or in-house testing. In contra…

It's basically why Windows 10 is also so much buggier than previous versions: Nadella cut a good portion of Microsoft's Q&A team.

If this your anecdote, or are their studies around this?

I ask because anecdotally everyone I know finds Windows 10 to be the most stable Windows they've ever used.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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That doesn't make sense. None of this has changed from previous updates and all previous macOS updates were far more stable than this one. This isn't a particularly feature laden update either.

But now all of a sudden we get catastrophic (deleted emails) and less catastrophic (missing Music playlists) data loss, crash bugs and generally weird behaviour of many apps.

I have identified one particular area where bugs are endemic: iCloud and it's complete failure to deal with multiple OS and client app versions. This is clearly a design issue as it also manifests itself in many ways that are not bugs as such.

For instance, Notes has gained the ability to share folders via iCloud. But if you create a folder and then share it from a device with the latest OS version, that folder disappears from all devices running older OS versions and importantly also from the icloud.com website.

Reminders on Catalina warns you of such version incompatibilities and the wording is telling. It's talking about "converting" something to the latest version. "Conversion" shouldn't even be a thing that users need to know about where no user controlled files are involved.

All indications are that there is a fundamental design error at the very core of iCloud's architecture. It feels like iCloud operates not as a single source of truth but as yet another device that participates in peer to peer syncing. This is a very complex architecture and they haven't been able to make it work.

So my conclusion is that iCloud which has always been exceptionally buggy has become pervasive within Apple's ecosystem. This is what has changed.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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The only iOS 13 bugs I’ve been bitten by are: 1. Safari’s back button now seems to lose the position on the previous page - sometimes. 2. The share sheet has a row of Messages contacts that I didn’t ask for, don’t want, and can’t turn off - and it creates the risk of super-inappropriate sharing, because all my work contacts are eligible for being on this row, seemingly at random.

Haven't noticed #1 but I love the new share sheet feature. I often text with the same few people, sharing links, images and what not, and this thing has really sped up that flow. Also I think the risk of accidental sharing is mitigated somewhat by the fact that you're taken to the compose screen and actually have to press send – it doesn't happen right away and gives you an opportunity to back out. This I also find extremely useful since I often add comments to whatever I share.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Unfortunately, just because the developer experience on Android can be even worse, that doesn't mean the developer experience on iOS isn't bad.

Yes. Thing is this are de-facto only two platforms alive. Yes. Mobile (and desktop) developers life suck. But someone has to write all that software. And, IMO, iOS/macOS/Cocoa/Xcode is best out there. And most importantly - most stable. Nice boutique experience, nice API, good documentation, everything is integrated and working. Other platforms are even worse. Way worse. I am also doing Switch, KaiOS, Xbox, PS3/4, di…

> And most importantly - most stable

I have to restart XCode at least once an hour to get all my breakpoints back and several times a day if it crashes for no apparent reason and boots up with the project missing, empty or missing files. Fortunately I don't do a lot of app development any more but some low level C libs don't compile themselves (no: not possible to do this in any other language).

Stable is not what I use to describe XCode. Bloated with "do it the apple way" yes but not stable.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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The only iOS 13 bugs I’ve been bitten by are: 1. Safari’s back button now seems to lose the position on the previous page - sometimes. 2. The share sheet has a row of Messages contacts that I didn’t ask for, don’t want, and can’t turn off - and it creates the risk of super-inappropriate sharing, because all my work contacts are eligible for being on this row, seemingly at random.

Number two is actually the thing that pushed me to switch from Android. Now it has followed me to iOS. These product managers are out of control. Why should it be mandatory? At least it’s not suggesting messenger contacts from other apps that I contacted literally once ever 3 years ago. (Yet)

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's basically why Windows 10 is also so much buggier than previous versions: Nadella cut a good portion of Microsoft's Q&A team.

If this your anecdote, or are their studies around this? I ask because anecdotally everyone I know finds Windows 10 to be the most stable Windows they've ever used.

Did they not use 2000? Or XP? Or even 7 for that matter?

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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post #151
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's basically why Windows 10 is also so much buggier than previous versions: Nadella cut a good portion of Microsoft's Q&A team.

If this your anecdote, or are their studies around this? I ask because anecdotally everyone I know finds Windows 10 to be the most stable Windows they've ever used.

There was a big data deletion bug from an update that happened around a year ago, I don't think there was anything that bad in Windows 7

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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I still remember at WWDC a few years back, I went with some older radars to the labs, only to get turned down with a „You already have a workaround - why do you care?“

...that made me mostly stop filing radars for older issues.

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