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Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by crispyambulance » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:51 PM UTC

0x445442 wrote: post #196

mr_overalls wrote: post #177

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It's incredible to me that someone can be this willfully blind. POTUS has been the subject of multiple investigations because he has a long and ongoing history of doing incredibly shady things - money laundering, tax evasion, consorting with Russian mafiya figures, _openly_ soliciting interference in American elections from Russia. And now we know he's done the same with Ukraine.

You're selectively choosing where you get your information which is the real crux of the problem; there is no "news" anymore, only opinions and narratives put forth for political and financial gain. The comment elsewhere in this thread about the failure of the 4th estate is the relevant one.

> ...there is no "news" anymore, only opinions and narratives put forth for political and financial gain.

"News" isn't a product you can just take out of the box and use. "Some assembly is required" and that's what citizens are expected to do (unless they're graduates of Trump "University", I guess).

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by Mirioron » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:53 PM UTC

Ididntdothis wrote: post #222

nickysielicki wrote: post #212

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Bull. Shit. > If you read the history (and these days there are tons of resources) this sequence of events (of overreach) has unfolded a thousand times. There are a whole bunch programmes that have been shutdown because one group or the other got carried away or did damage. There are many such programs, says you, and yet you fail to name even one. There has never been this level of government overreach -- if only bec…

”There has never been this level of government overreach -- if only because of the technology involved. Never has it been like this. Or at least, never has a government survived this” They always has been overreach. This is not new.

The parent's post means that the overreach has never had the technology we have now. This drastically changes the situation. The government could secretly mandate that all phone manufacturers must secretly record the phone microphone all the time and then this data gets analyzed. If this happens in 10 years, then the general public might not even find out for years, and even if they do, most of the public will just shrug and move on.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by slashdev » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:54 PM UTC

cyborgx7 wrote: post #148

andxor wrote: post #141

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What's wrong with Jordan Peterson? I think he's vastly misrepresented.

All he has done is repackage some pretty basic self-help advice into a gross right-wing ideology. I don't think this has any value.

I'm sorry, where is the right wing ideology exactly? He's pretty passionate about his criticisms of the far left. That doesn't automatically make him right wing. Most of his views are more left than right.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by parthdesai » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:55 PM UTC

Ajedi32 wrote: post #190

vfc1 wrote: post #88

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Be careful, because his podcast is a bit of an echo chamber. The other day he set up a debate on nutrition where he covered the topic of heart disease, and he put a cardiologist (Dr. Khan) with 20 years of experience debating with an acupuncturist (Kris Kresser) on the causes of heart disease. And he kept interrupting the doctor and taking the acupuncturist side on the most absurd claims. He is also into things like…

> his podcast is a bit of an echo chamber. > The other day he set up a debate on nutrition where he covered the topic of heart disease, and he put a cardiologist (Dr. Khan) with 20 years of experience debating with an acupuncturist (Kris Kresser) on the causes of heart disease. And he kept interrupting the doctor and taking the acupuncturist side on the most absurd claims I haven't listened that episode, or really ma…

He has said it time and again, that he is willing to sit down and have a reasonable conversation with anyone and everyone.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by sb057 » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:55 PM UTC

0898 wrote: post #174

The success of Joe Rogan is fascinating and encouraging. For a long time there was a view that attention spans were diminishing. Facebook and Tik Tok reduced content to the smallest possible dosage. But look at this. This is one of the world's most popular podcasts and it's nearly three hours long. You see it too in TV: what is a Netflix series but a 13 hour movie? I see a definite trend towards long form content rig…

With old media (specifically television and newsprint) "information bandwidth" was restricted to a limited number of channels and pages. This meant there had to be a calculation where the editors had to maximize the audience by making the content short enough to not lose the easily distracted, but long enough to be engaging.

High-speed internet has blown open the information bandwidth cap so that now content can be created for every attention niche. This is just anecdotal, but it seems to me part of the decline of traditional journalism has to do with article length. People either want short, snappy headlines that tell them the essential information, or long, elaborately-written pieces thousands of words long. The only reason mid-length articles existed before was a compromise between the two groups.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by hackermailman » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:55 PM UTC

maroonblazer wrote: post #87

anonu wrote: post #14

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Joe is a master interviewer for the reasons you mention. I'd also add he has broad interests in almost any topic and subject matter, which helps. Another technique he employs is "listening". There are many times when I want to butt in when listening to his podcasts. But Joe just waits and let's the other person speak and soaks it in. There are of course the interviews which are actually him being interviewed (he does…

I enjoy Rogan but he's no master interviewer. In fact he strikes me as a kind of conversational Zelig who will nod along in agreement with nearly any idea a guest might put forward. For a supremely frustrating example of Rogan not 'getting it' listen to the last hour-ish of JRE#1350 with Nick Bostrom, where Joe simply can't wrap his head around The Simulation Argument.

Joe is an OK interviewer if he remains sober, and he doesn't inject current events randomly just so he can comment on some talking point going around that week in the media, cut it into a promo and stick it on his channel. By OK I mean he will actually let the person talk most times without interruption and trying to take over like most other annoying interviews.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by duxup » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:56 PM UTC

raxxorrax wrote: post #228

duxup wrote: post #210

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I have trouble parsing what you're saying. Honestly, a lot of it seems like empty taglines that don't say anything. >It is to evict people that failed to bring forth sensible policies. What policies? Doesn't every new politician claim exactly that?

Evidently. What is your explanation for the success of Trump? Because he has a pretty clean alibi for not implementing mass surveillance.

>What is your explanation for the success of Trump?

I'm not sure why I would have to explain that to understand what you're saying.

>Because he has a pretty clean alibi for not implementing mass surveillance.

I have no idea what that means in relation to the first sentence. Are you saying he wasn't a part of government during the establishment of some surveillance and that means something now? and/or Do you feel voters cared about that?

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by pastor_elm » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:56 PM UTC

MrGLaDOS wrote: post #126

yodsanklai wrote: post #102

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I really like Joe Rogan, and the format of its podcast. I don't know other medias where they let people speak for three hours. I was suspicious the first time I listened to him. I thought, can this beefy archetypical MMA dude say anything interesting? actually he can. He's at ease with all types of guests, he just seems to be an outspoken, honest guy. I agree that he tends to bring up his favorite topics all the time…

I am sure there are many others, but these three shows feature long-form interviews which feature interesting guests: The Ezra Klein Show - Ezra Klein Making sense podcast - Sam Harris 80000 hours podcast - Rob Wiblin [1] https://www.vox.com/ezra-klein-show-podcast [2] https://samharris.org/podcast/ [3] https://80000hours.org/podcast/

old Charlie Rose episodes as well, although only usually an hour. But good for guests who are currently dead.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by john-radio » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:56 PM UTC

Ajedi32 wrote: post #190

vfc1 wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Be careful, because his podcast is a bit of an echo chamber. The other day he set up a debate on nutrition where he covered the topic of heart disease, and he put a cardiologist (Dr. Khan) with 20 years of experience debating with an acupuncturist (Kris Kresser) on the causes of heart disease. And he kept interrupting the doctor and taking the acupuncturist side on the most absurd claims. He is also into things like…

> his podcast is a bit of an echo chamber. > The other day he set up a debate on nutrition where he covered the topic of heart disease, and he put a cardiologist (Dr. Khan) with 20 years of experience debating with an acupuncturist (Kris Kresser) on the causes of heart disease. And he kept interrupting the doctor and taking the acupuncturist side on the most absurd claims I haven't listened that episode, or really ma…

An echo chamber is a place where the local acoustics make it difficult to speak clearly.

Medical science is able to speak with brilliant clarity hard-earned from centuries of experimentation on the topic of heart disease.

If I hear a discourse involving a cardiologist and a layperson, and it's not really made apparent who is the expert and who is not, then I call that an echo chamber.

Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]

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Post by Ididntdothis » Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 2:58 PM UTC

Mirioron wrote: post #232

Ididntdothis wrote: post #222

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”There has never been this level of government overreach -- if only because of the technology involved. Never has it been like this. Or at least, never has a government survived this” They always has been overreach. This is not new.

The parent's post means that the overreach has never had the technology we have now. This drastically changes the situation. The government could secretly mandate that all phone manufacturers must secretly record the phone microphone all the time and then this data gets analyzed. If this happens in 10 years, then the general public might not even find out for years, and even if they do, most of the public will just s…

I guess that makes sense but if you take into account technological capabilities then the next overreach will almost always be the biggest because the technology makes larger and larger scale possible.