This guy did this to the US gov but would never do it to China or Russia. They are not on the safe safe playing field.
Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]
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Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]
#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a big difference between Observation (which is what Snowden is doing) and Analysis (followed by Solutions). It's not healthy to confuse the two. Snowden is pointing out an issue. And he has done it with courage that I massively respect. You hardly see it these days. And that makes it anxiety and fear inducing, as the solutions are unknown. But think of it this way - tomorrow someone might hand you a diagnosi…
Bull. Shit. > If you read the history (and these days there are tons of resources) this sequence of events (of overreach) has unfolded a thousand times. There are a whole bunch programmes that have been shutdown because one group or the other got carried away or did damage. There are many such programs, says you, and yet you fail to name even one. There has never been this level of government overreach -- if only bec…
”There has never been this level of government overreach -- if only because of the technology involved. Never has it been like this. Or at least, never has a government survived this”
They always has been overreach. This is not new.
Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]
#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's incredible to me that someone can be this willfully blind. POTUS has been the subject of multiple investigations because he has a long and ongoing history of doing incredibly shady things - money laundering, tax evasion, consorting with Russian mafiya figures, _openly_ soliciting interference in American elections from Russia. And now we know he's done the same with Ukraine.
You're selectively choosing where you get your information which is the real crux of the problem; there is no "news" anymore, only opinions and narratives put forth for political and financial gain. The comment elsewhere in this thread about the failure of the 4th estate is the relevant one.
There is a big difference between 1) admitting difficulty in discerning a more-or-less truthful version of events, and 2) simply throwing up your hands at the idea of objective truth.
And why, if all "news" is simply fact-free narrative, have you chosen to believe the the Trumpian narrative? Do you believe that all news that casts a negative light on POTUS is simply fabricated?
Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]
#224Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's incredible to me that someone can be this willfully blind. POTUS has been the subject of multiple investigations because he has a long and ongoing history of doing incredibly shady things - money laundering, tax evasion, consorting with Russian mafiya figures, _openly_ soliciting interference in American elections from Russia. And now we know he's done the same with Ukraine.
You're selectively choosing where you get your information which is the real crux of the problem; there is no "news" anymore, only opinions and narratives put forth for political and financial gain. The comment elsewhere in this thread about the failure of the 4th estate is the relevant one.
> there is no "news" anymore
Yes there is, and there are facts and truth.
Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]
#225We live in a time where the president of the United States himself questions any law that inconveniences him personally, same goes for any oversight, and he retains a great deal of support from the population and his own party. I wonder how / if it is possible to convince the public that laws and oversight are necessary for good government.
Not throwing support either way, but what is wrong with questioning inconvenient laws? Should laws never be repealed?
Then you should make an effort to change the law and not just complain and try to get away with breaking the law. Until the law has been changed the president should stay firmly within it.
Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]
#226There is a real lesson here about just how cavalier the American government - and to some degree the public - is about civil liberties, but that isn't the biggest problem. The problem here isn't even so much the government is being shady - that has happened before, it will happen again. I can understand people not feeling threatened by constant snooping even though I disagree. To me the real problem is how effectivel…
I would argue that the JFK assassination marked the moment that the intelligence agencies officially gained supremacy over the government. That pt is long gone, our goal now should be to make their job of subverting our democracy as difficult as possible.
I don't think this passes even the sniff test. The shifting policies of the US seem to be driven by politicians, not some "intelligence agencies" boogeymen.
Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]
#227There is a real lesson here about just how cavalier the American government - and to some degree the public - is about civil liberties, but that isn't the biggest problem. The problem here isn't even so much the government is being shady - that has happened before, it will happen again. I can understand people not feeling threatened by constant snooping even though I disagree. To me the real problem is how effectivel…
There is a big difference between Observation (which is what Snowden is doing) and Analysis (followed by Solutions). It's not healthy to confuse the two. Snowden is pointing out an issue. And he has done it with courage that I massively respect. You hardly see it these days. And that makes it anxiety and fear inducing, as the solutions are unknown. But think of it this way - tomorrow someone might hand you a diagnosi…
“Better that right counsels be known to enemies than that the evil secrets of tyrants should be concealed from the citizens. They who can treat secretly of the affairs of a nation have it absolutely under their authority; and as they plot against the enemy in time of war, so do they against the citizens in time of peace.”
― Baruch Spinoza
Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]
#228Earlier quoted context omitted.
I do think ignoring the rules is part of his success. If you add the ridiculous stories about Russia, which was one of the worse conspiracy theories, but was mainly driven by the intelligence community, the current political situation isn't a surprise at all. The spying was equally supported by the Democrats as well as Republicans. They further try to restrict freedom on the net by their newest attempt with the CASE…
I have trouble parsing what you're saying. Honestly, a lot of it seems like empty taglines that don't say anything. >It is to evict people that failed to bring forth sensible policies. What policies? Doesn't every new politician claim exactly that?
Evidently. What is your explanation for the success of Trump?
Because he has a pretty clean alibi for not implementing mass surveillance.
Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]
#229Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a big difference between Observation (which is what Snowden is doing) and Analysis (followed by Solutions). It's not healthy to confuse the two. Snowden is pointing out an issue. And he has done it with courage that I massively respect. You hardly see it these days. And that makes it anxiety and fear inducing, as the solutions are unknown. But think of it this way - tomorrow someone might hand you a diagnosi…
“Better that right counsels be known to enemies than that the evil secrets of tyrants should be concealed from the citizens. They who can treat secretly of the affairs of a nation have it absolutely under their authority; and as they plot against the enemy in time of war, so do they against the citizens in time of peace.” ― Baruch Spinoza
“the ultimate aim of government is not to rule, or restrain by fear, nor to exact obedience, but to free every man from fear that he may live in all possible security... In fact the true aim of government is liberty.”
― Baruch Spinoza
Re: Edward Snowden on The Joe Rogan Experience [video]
#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
“Fake” whistleblower? This is a hop and a skip away from Q-anon territory, and shouldn’t be on hn.
Real whistleblowers: Snowden, Kiriakou, Binney, Drake, Manning, Winner. Notice a theme of career loss, prison, total life upheaval, and a press that DGAF. Fake whistleblower: still works for CIA, whistleblowing has purely political rather than administrative effects, and ongoing adulation in the press. If you don't want to see this on HN, then downvote and move on.
I have a whistleblower hotline available to me at work... If I see something and call that number, my identity will be protected. That is the way my company would prefer I handle ethical issues and I will keep my job. If I gather up evidence and release it to the press, I will lose my job. That is the difference between, say Snowden and this whistleblower. But that does not negate the validity of the complaint.