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Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by SCdF »

SmellyGeekBoy wrote: post #158
SCdF wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If this your anecdote, or are their studies around this? I ask because anecdotally everyone I know finds Windows 10 to be the most stable Windows they've ever used.

Did they not use 2000? Or XP? Or even 7 for that matter?

I've used Windows on and off since 3.11, and have used 98, xp, 7 and 10 a lot.

As much fun as it is to hate on Windows, if I'm honest with myself 10 has been the most stable experience I've had with Windows, with the possible exception of 3.11 (though that was a long time ago).

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by 2rsf »

jwr wrote: post #104

I have a slightly different take on this. I think every company should dedicate a certain percentage of their revenue to handling bug reports from users. Yes, many bug reports will be bogus, but many will be pure gold (I speak from experience). Yes, it involves a lot of manual work. But it is so incredibly worth it — you get to catch the odd bugs that you will never catch with automated or in-house testing. In contra…

You are writing this based on gut feeling, big companies simply can't go over every bug report- it's not scalable.

I used to work on a product at a big company, we took users input very seriously, not only from bug reports but also by analyzing telemetrics data and simple users "star" feedback.

At the end of the day it's simply impossible to both fix everything and still go forward when the product is big and complex. To this day the product has terrible reputation as buggy and unfriendly.

Even the simple task of finding what the problem is, fixing it and then closing related problem reports is very complex since many bugs manifest themselves in different ways.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by jl6 »

0x00000000 wrote: post #156
jl6 wrote: post #71

The only iOS 13 bugs I’ve been bitten by are: 1. Safari’s back button now seems to lose the position on the previous page - sometimes. 2. The share sheet has a row of Messages contacts that I didn’t ask for, don’t want, and can’t turn off - and it creates the risk of super-inappropriate sharing, because all my work contacts are eligible for being on this row, seemingly at random.

Number two is actually the thing that pushed me to switch from Android. Now it has followed me to iOS. These product managers are out of control. Why should it be mandatory? At least it’s not suggesting messenger contacts from other apps that I contacted literally once ever 3 years ago. (Yet)

I use WhatsApp for 99% of my messaging. I’d be happy with the new share sheet row if it could be configured to show me my common WhatsApp contacts. But because it’s Messages only, it only shows people I very very rarely want to contact.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by tolqen »

0x00000000 wrote: post #156
jl6 wrote: post #71

The only iOS 13 bugs I’ve been bitten by are: 1. Safari’s back button now seems to lose the position on the previous page - sometimes. 2. The share sheet has a row of Messages contacts that I didn’t ask for, don’t want, and can’t turn off - and it creates the risk of super-inappropriate sharing, because all my work contacts are eligible for being on this row, seemingly at random.

Number two is actually the thing that pushed me to switch from Android. Now it has followed me to iOS. These product managers are out of control. Why should it be mandatory? At least it’s not suggesting messenger contacts from other apps that I contacted literally once ever 3 years ago. (Yet)

> At least it’s not suggesting messenger contacts from other apps that I contacted literally once ever 3 years ago.

Only because none of the messaging apps have implemented it yet. As someone who uses their phone for messaging 70% of the time, I actually missed it from Android and am happy to see it come to iOS.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by tolqen »

jl6 wrote: post #164
0x00000000 wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Number two is actually the thing that pushed me to switch from Android. Now it has followed me to iOS. These product managers are out of control. Why should it be mandatory? At least it’s not suggesting messenger contacts from other apps that I contacted literally once ever 3 years ago. (Yet)

I use WhatsApp for 99% of my messaging. I’d be happy with the new share sheet row if it could be configured to show me my common WhatsApp contacts. But because it’s Messages only, it only shows people I very very rarely want to contact.

It’s not Messages only, WhatsApp just hasn’t implemented it yet.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by rogy »

jl6 wrote: post #71

The only iOS 13 bugs I’ve been bitten by are: 1. Safari’s back button now seems to lose the position on the previous page - sometimes. 2. The share sheet has a row of Messages contacts that I didn’t ask for, don’t want, and can’t turn off - and it creates the risk of super-inappropriate sharing, because all my work contacts are eligible for being on this row, seemingly at random.

God this, my number one share contact is my ex, who i broke up with almost 5 years ago, and literally havent contacted in over 4. This person isn't even a contact in my contacts anymore, yet still top HOW.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by Crinus »

Razengan wrote: post #5

I can only surmise (hope) that their resources are diverted towards Something Big. Could be ARM macOS and/or AR glasses. Not that this excuses the bugginess of their current core products. Bringing up comparisons to Steve Jobs must be the tech equivalent of Godwin's Law, but if there was one thing about him, it's that he actually was a user of his own products, like us. It feels like there's no one at Apple (or other…

> It feels like there's no one at Apple (or other companies) like that anymore.

There certainly are people like that, it is just that unlike Jobs they have no voice on the matter.

Same with other companies.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by crummy »

2rsf wrote: post #162
jwr wrote: post #104

I have a slightly different take on this. I think every company should dedicate a certain percentage of their revenue to handling bug reports from users. Yes, many bug reports will be bogus, but many will be pure gold (I speak from experience). Yes, it involves a lot of manual work. But it is so incredibly worth it — you get to catch the odd bugs that you will never catch with automated or in-house testing. In contra…

You are writing this based on gut feeling, big companies simply can't go over every bug report- it's not scalable. I used to work on a product at a big company, we took users input very seriously, not only from bug reports but also by analyzing telemetrics data and simple users "star" feedback. At the end of the day it's simply impossible to both fix everything and still go forward when the product is big and complex…

Does the Chrome team go over every bug report? It seems like it to me, though I've only filed a few.

Re: Why iOS 13 and Catalina Are So Buggy

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Post by wycy »

alwillis wrote: post #36
threeseed wrote: post #19

Every .0 release for iOS and OSX has been buggy. Every single one. And then a few point releases later and it's all forgotten. And then the next .0 release arrives and the blog posts reappear.

Every .0 release for iOS and OSX has been buggy. Every single one. I've run and tested every release going back to 2001 and it's been a while since a macOS release has been this buggy and caused serious data loss in some cases. So even for .0 release, this has been pretty bad.

I must be some kind of unicorn then. I used iOS 13 betas since beta 1 and never encountered any problems. In contrast, I recall having all sorts of problems with iOS 9, 10, and either 11 or 12 (but not both). In one of these other betas, GPS was effectively completely broken on all AT&T iPhone X for the two week beta.
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