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Re: Firefox 70

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Post by Vinnl »

idoubtit wrote: post #51
pedrocx486 wrote: post #9

Compared to current Chromium based browsers (I'm using Edge/ium), how does this Firefox release's DevTools compare?

My experience is that Chromium DevTools are much more polished than Firefox's. For instance, the network tab is a pain to use with FF on a small screen because the columns have a large default width, so the Method column ("GET") is as large as the URL path column. And you can't resize them. Chromium has a better default, and I can resize them. If I view the detail of a request, pressing Esc will close the details vie…

> And you can't resize them.

You can resize them nowadays.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by branon »

tyingq wrote: post #200
metalliqaz wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most of Mozilla's funding came from Google in exchange for making Google the default search page.

And Yahoo! for a time.

I remember this. It was terrible.

There was a (bug|user error) I experienced during this time which prevented me from changing the default search engine.

It was _terrible_.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by redblacktree »

mnoorenberghe wrote: post #216
javajosh wrote: post #103

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Couple of questions about this: does FF import Chrome logins? Also, can Mozilla read the data or are they doing client-side-encryption?

Yes, it can now import logins/passwords from Chrome/Chromium on macOS, Windows support already existed for some years. > Passwords can now be imported from Chrome on macOS in addition to existing support for Windows https://www.mozilla.org/firefox/70.0/releasenotes/

Wow. That's the final bit. Thank you!

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by Klonoar »

Switching to CoreAnimation is very, very nice - however, this still doesn't feel quite at home on macOS because of a bug that's pretty old at this point.

Overflow/rubberband scrolling needs to be added here, because that is how scrolling is supposed to work on macOS. If you don't have it, you feel very alien. I'm not entirely sure why this isn't fixed after all these years, especially since Chrome managed to do it - it's not like an open source implementation doesn't exist at this point to crib the math from.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by Vinnl »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #55
pedrocx486 wrote: post #9

Compared to current Chromium based browsers (I'm using Edge/ium), how does this Firefox release's DevTools compare?

Some of those updates are to catch up to Chrome's developer tools. If I were in charge of Firefox, I would honestly have them hire a developer or two to focus solely on the Developer Tools. I'm sure there's many things that browser developer tools could do that we have not even scratched the surface of. I prefer Firefox overall, only use Chrome due to manager only looking at my work on Chrome (it will be deployed in…

They spent the past few years rewriting them to allow them to build on it more quickly and encourage outside contributions. They finished that a while ago and have been ramping up new features quickly, and some exciting things are coming. For example: https://gist.github.com/jasonLaster/1e220992c294a571dd9b59ab...

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by nebulous1 »

rusk wrote: post #133
burtonator wrote: post #116

Firefox + Mozilla are awesome. I still have a Mozilla 1.0 t-shirt from the first release party! I've recently seen a ton of FF fans state that the reason they love Firefox is that it doesn't have ads or track you and preserves your privacy. However, Firefox wouldn't exist without Google and (to a lesser extent, Google Chrome). They make 94% of their revenue via bundling and distribution deals with companies like Goog…

> Without Google's ad business Firefox wouldn't exist Really? My recollection of events 15 years ago is a little hazy, but wasnt FF a browser-only release of Mozilla, itself Netscape which has been around as long as time itself (~25 years?) What are we talking about here? There was very definitely a push around 2003 to get FF adopted en masse, and I guess Google probably were a big factor in this ... Bit of a stretch…

OP overstated his case, but the fact is that the Mozilla Foundation does derive the majority of its revenue from deals with advertising based companies. Whether or not it would exist (or if it existed, in what form?) without these deals is a critical but unanswered question. Critical in the sense that it goes to the heart of whether we can be both ad-free and have free stuff like Firefox.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by pier25 »

padenot wrote: post #98
pier25 wrote: post #48

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Safari still uses significantly less CPU while decoding video.

Safari does not support vp8 or vp9 when playing youtube, and youtube serves h264 instead. h264 is less efficient in terms of compression ratio (more to download for the same quality), but h264 is decoded in hardware on OSX, and VP8 or VP9 isn't, which explains what you see. This is why, for example, Safari does not have 4k video on Youtube, while being perfectly capable of playing 4k videos in general. Depending on t…

Thanks for the explanation.

I found this extension that forces FF to use H264 instead: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/h264ify/

On my old MBP I'd rather consume more bandwidth than more more CPU.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by johnchristopher »

mnoorenberghe wrote: post #217
johnchristopher wrote: post #173

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edit: Sorry for anyone I misled. You can't opt a particular kind of data out of syncing per device. You can only enable/disable for the whole account. Yes, each (bookmarks, history, passwords, tabs ) can be turned on or off per device basis.

This is incorrect AFAIK. The sync toggle for a data type is for the whole account, not per-device.

You are right. Always thought it worked like that but indeed it is for the whole account and not per device. My bad.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by Santosh83 »

burtonator wrote: post #116

Firefox + Mozilla are awesome. I still have a Mozilla 1.0 t-shirt from the first release party! I've recently seen a ton of FF fans state that the reason they love Firefox is that it doesn't have ads or track you and preserves your privacy. However, Firefox wouldn't exist without Google and (to a lesser extent, Google Chrome). They make 94% of their revenue via bundling and distribution deals with companies like Goog…

> I'd rather things be direct. I'd rather we live in a world where customers paid directly for the product and I was the customer (not the product).

There is a very simple way to achieve this. Sell your product for money, and provide no other option. The customer gives you money and you give them use of your product. Win-win.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by pmontra »

tomaskafka wrote: post #219
jacurtis wrote: post #118

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> this means that my battery is going to last 4-5x longer with Safari Well it might last 4-5x longer if you run safari in the background, since that is what you tested. But wouldn't the real test be running both browsers as the active window and comparing those results? One thing that Safari is incredibly good at (and its' engineers are proud of) is the ability to reduce resource consumption for non-active tabs and w…

> One thing that Safari is incredibly good at (and its' engineers are proud of) is the ability to reduce resource consumption for non-active tabs and windows to nearly zero. I understand this is rare, but I just have a very very hard time understanding what is so hard about this. Page not visible? Just stop it. Stop the layout engine, stop the javascript VM. If there was a transfer in progress, let it finish, a page…

YouTube music video running in another tab. Should it stop render the video and keep playing the audio? Maybe feasible but it should keep receiving both the video and audio data. Stop all of it? Not what I wish to happen.
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