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Re: Firefox 70

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Post by mcrider »

tyre wrote: post #32

> Firefox 70 introduces three new properties related to text decoration/underline: > text-decoration-thickness: sets the thickness of lines added via text-decoration. > text-underline-offset: sets the distance between a text decoration and the text it is set on. Bear in mind that this only works on underlines. > text-decoration-skip-ink: sets whether underlines and overlines are drawn if they cross descenders and asc…

Me too -- This is a real quality of life improvement for developers that work with picky designers :)

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by chubot »

samtimalsina wrote: post #124
burtonator wrote: post #116

Firefox + Mozilla are awesome. I still have a Mozilla 1.0 t-shirt from the first release party! I've recently seen a ton of FF fans state that the reason they love Firefox is that it doesn't have ads or track you and preserves your privacy. However, Firefox wouldn't exist without Google and (to a lesser extent, Google Chrome). They make 94% of their revenue via bundling and distribution deals with companies like Goog…

> However, Firefox wouldn't exist without Google and (to a lesser extent, Google Chrome). Can you elaborate on this? What kind of bundling and distribution deals?

Some background:

https://techcrunch.com/2014/11/19/mozilla-partners-with-yaho...

https://techcrunch.com/2017/11/14/mozilla-terminates-its-dea...

https://www.cnet.com/news/google-firefox-search-deal-gives-m...

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by rusk »

burtonator wrote: post #116

Firefox + Mozilla are awesome. I still have a Mozilla 1.0 t-shirt from the first release party! I've recently seen a ton of FF fans state that the reason they love Firefox is that it doesn't have ads or track you and preserves your privacy. However, Firefox wouldn't exist without Google and (to a lesser extent, Google Chrome). They make 94% of their revenue via bundling and distribution deals with companies like Goog…

> Without Google's ad business Firefox wouldn't exist

Really? My recollection of events 15 years ago is a little hazy, but wasnt FF a browser-only release of Mozilla, itself Netscape which has been around as long as time itself (~25 years?)

What are we talking about here? There was very definitely a push around 2003 to get FF adopted en masse, and I guess Google probably were a big factor in this ...

Bit of a stretch to say FF wouldn’t have existed otherwise though. There was very definitely some dissatisfaction across the board with IE dominance and its not hard to imagine something like FF being inevitable.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by gwern »

tyre wrote: post #32

> Firefox 70 introduces three new properties related to text decoration/underline: > text-decoration-thickness: sets the thickness of lines added via text-decoration. > text-underline-offset: sets the distance between a text decoration and the text it is set on. Bear in mind that this only works on underlines. > text-decoration-skip-ink: sets whether underlines and overlines are drawn if they cross descenders and asc…

It'll be nice to simplify underline links tremendously once that becomes implemented in IE/Edge & Safari. The existing methods for avoiding underlines overlapping text descenders like Tufte-CSS's method (https://github.com/edwardtufte/tufte-css) are kinda crazy looking, and also cause the occasional bug with text highlighting.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by nathancahill »

rsynnott wrote: post #94
fpgaminer wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know about other usages, but energy consumption while using YouTube is important to me (usually have something playing while I work) so I just did a quick measurement. Safari 13.0.2 versus Firefox 70.0 versus Chrome 77.0 Playing the same YouTube video at the same quality (1080p) and watching Energy Impact in Activity Monitor while the video played, I saw averages of: Safari used 20, Firefox used 45, Chrome us…

You could try a plugin which forces h264 Youtube. Just about anything made in the last decade has mature hardware support for decoding h264, but not necessarily for VP8/9. This may be what's going on here.

The addon I use is: https://github.com/erkserkserks/h264ify

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by freediver »

jacurtis wrote: post #118
freediver wrote: post #111

I am not a Firefox user but know that matching Webkit performance on macOS is going to be very hard. So just fired a test on my Macbook Air - Safari 13 vs Firefox 70. Opened top 10 links from techmeme. Both windows in background. Firefox 70: Energy use 30-200; CPU 20-25%; Threads 82 Safari 13: Energy use 0.1-5; CPU 2-5%; Threads 11 If this is to celebrate I can only imagine what the things looked like before this rel…

> this means that my battery is going to last 4-5x longer with Safari Well it might last 4-5x longer if you run safari in the background, since that is what you tested. But wouldn't the real test be running both browsers as the active window and comparing those results? One thing that Safari is incredibly good at (and its' engineers are proud of) is the ability to reduce resource consumption for non-active tabs and w…

I used that use case because I usually have multiple windows with multiple tabs in the background.

I measured it with active windows now.

Screenshots:

- Both in background

- Safari Actie

- Firefox Active

https://imgur.com/a/4L64ShP

Conclusion: it gets even worse for Firefox.

Edit: At the time of test Safari had 7 more windows open with probably 70+ tabs from my previous session that I didn't close.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by fiddlerwoaroof »

samtimalsina wrote: post #124
burtonator wrote: post #116

Firefox + Mozilla are awesome. I still have a Mozilla 1.0 t-shirt from the first release party! I've recently seen a ton of FF fans state that the reason they love Firefox is that it doesn't have ads or track you and preserves your privacy. However, Firefox wouldn't exist without Google and (to a lesser extent, Google Chrome). They make 94% of their revenue via bundling and distribution deals with companies like Goog…

> However, Firefox wouldn't exist without Google and (to a lesser extent, Google Chrome). Can you elaborate on this? What kind of bundling and distribution deals?

I believe Mozilla made a ton of money just by making Google the default search engine.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by paulcarroty »

freediver wrote: post #111

I am not a Firefox user but know that matching Webkit performance on macOS is going to be very hard. So just fired a test on my Macbook Air - Safari 13 vs Firefox 70. Opened top 10 links from techmeme. Both windows in background. Firefox 70: Energy use 30-200; CPU 20-25%; Threads 82 Safari 13: Energy use 0.1-5; CPU 2-5%; Threads 11 If this is to celebrate I can only imagine what the things looked like before this rel…

Something like this happens on my Linux laptop: Firefox eats battery 2-3 times faster than Chrome & cooler activity is much more higher.

Seems like Firefox cares only about Windows.

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by troydavis »

samtimalsina wrote: post #124
burtonator wrote: post #116

Firefox + Mozilla are awesome. I still have a Mozilla 1.0 t-shirt from the first release party! I've recently seen a ton of FF fans state that the reason they love Firefox is that it doesn't have ads or track you and preserves your privacy. However, Firefox wouldn't exist without Google and (to a lesser extent, Google Chrome). They make 94% of their revenue via bundling and distribution deals with companies like Goog…

> However, Firefox wouldn't exist without Google and (to a lesser extent, Google Chrome). Can you elaborate on this? What kind of bundling and distribution deals?

Here's how Mozilla's 2017 annual report (https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/foundation/annualreport/2017/) describes it:

> Today, the majority of Mozilla Corporation revenue is generated from global browser search partnerships, including the deal negotiated with Google in 2017 following Mozilla’s termination of its search agreement with Yahoo/Oath which required ongoing payments to Mozilla that remain the subject of litigation.

> In CY 2017 Mozilla Corporation generated $542 Million from royalties, subscriptions and advertising revenue compared to $506 Million in CY 2016.

Financial statement (2016 & 2017): https://assets.mozilla.net/annualreport/2017/mozilla-fdn-201...

Announcement (2017): https://blog.mozilla.org/blog/2017/11/14/firefox-features-go...

Re: Firefox 70

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Post by TylerE »

FillardMillmore wrote: post #112
TylerE wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, they're shilling their own worthless cryptocurrency, so it is obvious to me that they cannot be.

It is an opt-in system. They're not making you use it and you don't lose anything by choosing not to opt-in. What exactly are they doing that you would consider "shilling"? https://brave.com/brave-rewards/

What would you call creating a new alt-coin and implying it will some day have value?

That entire industry is a dumpster fire of greed, fraud, and misrepresentation.

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