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Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by unhammer »

Aeolun wrote: post #45
mrweasel wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I hope Mozilla will allow me to disable onsite translation to the point where I wouldn't know it's available. I'm sure it's a nice feature to lots of people, but I never want to see it. It's just another annoyance that I don't wish to deal with. Dealing with multiple language is still something browsers and websites struggle with. Yes, I know I have a Danish IP, and my language settings is British English, b…

> Yes, I know I have a Danish IP, and my language settings is British English, but just give me the original Swedish version of the content it's FINE. Given these settings, how would you expect the browser to know you want to see the Swedish content? You have explicitly indicated that you want British English (if available).

I would expect/hope setting intl.accept_languages to include "da,sv,en" to be enough to make it stop translating those (in about:config or through the GUI)

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

#52

Post by mrweasel »

Aeolun wrote: post #45
mrweasel wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I hope Mozilla will allow me to disable onsite translation to the point where I wouldn't know it's available. I'm sure it's a nice feature to lots of people, but I never want to see it. It's just another annoyance that I don't wish to deal with. Dealing with multiple language is still something browsers and websites struggle with. Yes, I know I have a Danish IP, and my language settings is British English, b…

> Yes, I know I have a Danish IP, and my language settings is British English, but just give me the original Swedish version of the content it's FINE. Given these settings, how would you expect the browser to know you want to see the Swedish content? You have explicitly indicated that you want British English (if available).

Because it's very much site dependent what language I want. I don't expect the browser to transmit ANY kind of language information to the site.

For instance I never want the Danish version of Wikipedia, but I do want the Danish version of a Danish news site, or the Swedish version of a Swedish website. There's no real way to indicate those preferences to the browser, so it would be best if it never try to deal with language.

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

#53

Post by azepoi »

amirmasoudabdol wrote: post #4

While this is great, I like to give a shout out to DeepL Translator [1]. I'm not affiliated with them but I like to recommend them to people who like to step out of Google ecosystem. I am using DeepL for about a year now and I mostly use it for NL EN, DE EN. So far, I never felt that the translation is off, or terrible, and if not better in some cases, it's as good as Google Translator. [1]: https://www.deepl.com/tra…

DeepL really shines when not translating to or from english. I find their FRDE fantastic, miles ahead of Google's.

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

#54

Post by reportgunner »

oh_sigh wrote: post #10
est31 wrote: post #5

Before you say that Google has world-class ML engineers and Mozilla doesn't even have a chance of competing, consider that the quality of the startup deepl's translator is comparable and possibly even better to the quality of giants like Google or Microsoft. So this seems like one of those problems where small companies can still be competing with GAFAM-scale ones.

All the Google ML experts in the world don't matter if Google translate isn't staffed(no idea if it is or it isn't). It's quite possible that deepl has more engineers and ML experts working on the problem than Google does. Google's deep pockets and easily transferrable roster does have the ability to let it play catch-up very quick though, if anyone with influence thinks deepl has gotten too far ahead.

It's even possible that the Google ML experts left Google and went to work somewhere else.

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

#55

Post by mrweasel »

unhammer wrote: post #51
Aeolun wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yes, I know I have a Danish IP, and my language settings is British English, but just give me the original Swedish version of the content it's FINE. Given these settings, how would you expect the browser to know you want to see the Swedish content? You have explicitly indicated that you want British English (if available).

I would expect/hope setting intl.accept_languages to include "da,sv,en" to be enough to make it stop translating those (in about:config or through the GUI)

I have no way of judging the correctness of any given translation of a language I can't already read, so I would prefer that the browser doesn't do any automatic translation. Personally I would prefer to not be able to read the content of a site, compared to getting a translation that may be wrong, even if it's clearly indicated that it's an automated translation.

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

#56

Post by pergadad »

Aeolun wrote: post #44
lifthrasiir wrote: post #2

The project website: https://browser.mt/ According to the Data page [1], it at least makes use of ParaCrawl multilingual corpus [2]. [1] https://browser.mt/data [2] https://paracrawl.eu/releases.html

To be honest, the website is a bit less than inspiring. Their deliverable for month 3 was the project website.

Deliverable is funding/contract language. At month 3 any bigger project bringing different partners together is still in a very early coordination stage.

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

#57

Post by reportgunner »

Aeolun wrote: post #45
mrweasel wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I hope Mozilla will allow me to disable onsite translation to the point where I wouldn't know it's available. I'm sure it's a nice feature to lots of people, but I never want to see it. It's just another annoyance that I don't wish to deal with. Dealing with multiple language is still something browsers and websites struggle with. Yes, I know I have a Danish IP, and my language settings is British English, b…

> Yes, I know I have a Danish IP, and my language settings is British English, but just give me the original Swedish version of the content it's FINE. Given these settings, how would you expect the browser to know you want to see the Swedish content? You have explicitly indicated that you want British English (if available).

Simple: give me a popup the first time it is not clear what language I want content in. Put a don't ask me ever again tickbox on this popup.

I will click No, keep content language and tick don't ask me ever again and be super happy.

If you really want me to like you, put a tickbox in the settings so I can save this as default into my other browsers (that don't use cookies / don't save data)

Thank you !

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

#58

Post by t0astbread »

amirmasoudabdol wrote: post #4

While this is great, I like to give a shout out to DeepL Translator [1]. I'm not affiliated with them but I like to recommend them to people who like to step out of Google ecosystem. I am using DeepL for about a year now and I mostly use it for NL EN, DE EN. So far, I never felt that the translation is off, or terrible, and if not better in some cases, it's as good as Google Translator. [1]: https://www.deepl.com/tra…

Sometimes after writing a text I decide to throw it into DeepL for shits and giggles and the translations are pretty much as good as native every time.

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

#59

Post by needle0 »

drenvuk wrote: post #34

I'm having trouble finding which languages this supports. I am mostly in need of eastern Asian languages like Chinese, Korean and Japanese. Will this support them?

I second this. Bergamot's website mentions Europe ("...increases the uptake of language technologies in Europe...") but nothing about Asia, which isn't very encouraging.

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

#60

Post by mantap »

amirmasoudabdol wrote: post #4

While this is great, I like to give a shout out to DeepL Translator [1]. I'm not affiliated with them but I like to recommend them to people who like to step out of Google ecosystem. I am using DeepL for about a year now and I mostly use it for NL EN, DE EN. So far, I never felt that the translation is off, or terrible, and if not better in some cases, it's as good as Google Translator. [1]: https://www.deepl.com/tra…

It looks useful but the lack of non-European languages makes me slightly suspicious, I wonder if their approach generalises to Arabic, Chinese, Japanese, etc.
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