Firefox is getting language translation • Hacker News Board

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by Yessing » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 10:30 AM UTC

amirmasoudabdol wrote: post #4

While this is great, I like to give a shout out to DeepL Translator [1]. I'm not affiliated with them but I like to recommend them to people who like to step out of Google ecosystem. I am using DeepL for about a year now and I mostly use it for NL EN, DE EN. So far, I never felt that the translation is off, or terrible, and if not better in some cases, it's as good as Google Translator. [1]: https://www.deepl.com/tra…

During a C1 German course I took, I tried writing an essay In English, using deepl and then submitting it to the teacher. Only manual thing done is choosing the correct alternative from the list of words deepl gives you.

The Teacher said that it was amazing and that many native students she had couldn't write that well.

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by NilsIRL » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 10:32 AM UTC

darkwater wrote: post #11

I think that all the "hidden in the cloud" services like what Google Photos does, translations, well basically every service Google has, must go "edge computing" in the next years. The hardware side is already powerful enough, even in cheap Android smartphones, we just miss a better, dedicated software. Basically an Android phone without many Google Services, although there are some, like Google identity & authentica…

Except that would allow people to reverse engineer the code which I think is one the main reasons there is still a lot of services that are in the cloud.

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by iserlohnmage » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 10:41 AM UTC

amirmasoudabdol wrote: post #4

While this is great, I like to give a shout out to DeepL Translator [1]. I'm not affiliated with them but I like to recommend them to people who like to step out of Google ecosystem. I am using DeepL for about a year now and I mostly use it for NL EN, DE EN. So far, I never felt that the translation is off, or terrible, and if not better in some cases, it's as good as Google Translator. [1]: https://www.deepl.com/tra…

In the firm I made my internship, we have to use German in every communication. I use DeepL to check my E-mail or help me write speech for the presentation, etc (not a native speaker). The translator is wonderful!

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by Aeolun » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 10:49 AM UTC

lifthrasiir wrote: post #2

The project website: https://browser.mt/ According to the Data page [1], it at least makes use of ParaCrawl multilingual corpus [2]. [1] https://browser.mt/data [2] https://paracrawl.eu/releases.html

To be honest, the website is a bit less than inspiring. Their deliverable for month 3 was the project website.

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by Aeolun » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 10:53 AM UTC

mrweasel wrote: post #36

hans1729 wrote: post #8

Wow, I didn't think that people actually use on-site-translation. I know that translation became a lot better (using deepl [0] personally, check it out if you haven't heard of it!) in recent years, but on-site-translation always seemed quite goofy to me. I wonder if this caters more to a broader (elder) audience, making Firefox more attractive to less tech-affine folks? Seems like a critical feature for "your grantpa…

Honestly I hope Mozilla will allow me to disable onsite translation to the point where I wouldn't know it's available. I'm sure it's a nice feature to lots of people, but I never want to see it. It's just another annoyance that I don't wish to deal with. Dealing with multiple language is still something browsers and websites struggle with. Yes, I know I have a Danish IP, and my language settings is British English, b…

> Yes, I know I have a Danish IP, and my language settings is British English, but just give me the original Swedish version of the content it's FINE.

Given these settings, how would you expect the browser to know you want to see the Swedish content? You have explicitly indicated that you want British English (if available).

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by syntaxing » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 11:02 AM UTC

amirmasoudabdol wrote: post #4

While this is great, I like to give a shout out to DeepL Translator [1]. I'm not affiliated with them but I like to recommend them to people who like to step out of Google ecosystem. I am using DeepL for about a year now and I mostly use it for NL EN, DE EN. So far, I never felt that the translation is off, or terrible, and if not better in some cases, it's as good as Google Translator. [1]: https://www.deepl.com/tra…

This is great, never even heard of them before! Would you happen to have other suggestions to Google service alternatives?

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by Autowired » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 11:08 AM UTC

Thank you Mozilla! The translation capabilities are the only reason I still have Chrome installed on my phone and laptop. And they are vital to me, since I live in a country whose language I still don't speak.

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by rlv-dan » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 11:11 AM UTC

amirmasoudabdol wrote: post #4

While this is great, I like to give a shout out to DeepL Translator [1]. I'm not affiliated with them but I like to recommend them to people who like to step out of Google ecosystem. I am using DeepL for about a year now and I mostly use it for NL EN, DE EN. So far, I never felt that the translation is off, or terrible, and if not better in some cases, it's as good as Google Translator. [1]: https://www.deepl.com/tra…

My experience so far is that DeepL gives the best translations, then Bing and last Google.

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by tralarpa » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 11:13 AM UTC

fireattack wrote: post #40

antaviana wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am in the translation business, and although we do not use MT so far for the verticals we focus on, perhaps what shocks me most is Deepl Alexa 90-day trend [0]. It is so smooth it seems faked. [0] https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/deepl.com

Never heard of that website so I give it a try. It says "[t]ranslate from any language", but doesn't seem to support Chinese or Japanese at all. To me, translating other Western languages to English is never a problem. I can use any half-decent online translation services and the result is totally understandable.

> I can use any half-decent online translation services and the result is totally understandable

But in the case of deepl, the result is not only understandable but also often (but not always) nearly perfect.

Re: Firefox is getting language translation

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Post by jplayer01 » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 11:26 AM UTC

Aeolun wrote: post #45

mrweasel wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly I hope Mozilla will allow me to disable onsite translation to the point where I wouldn't know it's available. I'm sure it's a nice feature to lots of people, but I never want to see it. It's just another annoyance that I don't wish to deal with. Dealing with multiple language is still something browsers and websites struggle with. Yes, I know I have a Danish IP, and my language settings is British English, b…

> Yes, I know I have a Danish IP, and my language settings is British English, but just give me the original Swedish version of the content it's FINE. Given these settings, how would you expect the browser to know you want to see the Swedish content? You have explicitly indicated that you want British English (if available).

Funny. I have the opposite problem. I have a German IP, my OS/region/locale is set to American English, and sites regularly give me the German version even if I don't want/need it and even if I've previously been to the site and set it to English. MDN is the biggest offender for me right now because I use it nearly every day, and every single time I go to the damn site it's in German and I don't want it in German.