Assange in Court • Hacker News Board

Re: Assange in Court

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Post by threeseed » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 9:46 AM UTC

vermilingua wrote: post #22

threeseed wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many would argue that Assange isn't a journalist. And so that also is a factor.

What is he if not a journalist? He is not accused of leaking documents himself, but of facilitating their dissemination. Sounds more or less like the textbook definition of journalism to me.

So the issue with Assange was that he never showed any "limitation of harm" when he chose not to redact any of the content. It's a pretty core tenant of journalism ethics.

Those sort of subtleties are important when you're going to be arguing in front of a judge.

Re: Assange in Court

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Post by tomp » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 9:47 AM UTC

chippy wrote: post #9

"The charge against Julian is very specific; conspiring with Chelsea Manning to publish the Iraq War logs, the Afghanistan war logs and the State Department cables. The charges are nothing to do with Sweden, nothing to do with sex, and nothing to do with the 2016 US election" I'd like to call out the popular and prolific users of hacker news who previously were all about Sweden, sex and election interference and who…

> I'd like to call out the popular and prolific users of hacker news who previously were all about Sweden, sex and election interference and who are very silent now.

What do you mean? Obviously it was always about US military secrets... our point was simply, that sex/Sweden were a distraction, a ploy to keep him until they could build a case (or, as it happened, until they managed to install a more favorable government in Ecuador).

Re: Assange in Court

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Post by pjc50 » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 9:49 AM UTC

Ardren wrote: post #23

turblety wrote: post #15

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> "When that happens your remand status changes from a serving prisoner to a person facing extradition. > "Therefore I have given your lawyer an opportunity to make an application for bail on your behalf and she has declined to do so. Perhaps not surprisingly in light of your history of absconding in these proceedings. Edit: In response to your edit, he is being held for trial, and is a huge flight risk. 𝚈̶𝚘̶𝚞̶ ̶�…

> he is being held for trial, and is a huge flight risk. You would need to check if there he is covered by a bail schedule, otherwise the US Constitution says "Excessive bail shall not be required".

Point of information: he is being held in the UK and therefore what the US constitution says is irrelevant. He will be covered by the Bail Act. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1976/63

Re: Assange in Court

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Post by tomp » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 9:49 AM UTC

mmjaa wrote: post #7

This is an atrocious, heinous crime being committed in front of all of us, and we should be rioting in the streets. This can happen to any of us now - nobody is safe from torture by the state. This is the end of civilized society in the West, people. Where Julian Assange goes, so go we.

Unfortunately, life will go on, just like after Epstein "suicided" himself and all the media just silently dropped his case.

Re: Assange in Court

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Post by [deleted] » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 9:50 AM UTC

Ardren wrote: post #23

turblety wrote: post #15

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> "When that happens your remand status changes from a serving prisoner to a person facing extradition. > "Therefore I have given your lawyer an opportunity to make an application for bail on your behalf and she has declined to do so. Perhaps not surprisingly in light of your history of absconding in these proceedings. Edit: In response to your edit, he is being held for trial, and is a huge flight risk. 𝚈̶𝚘̶𝚞̶ ̶�…

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Re: Assange in Court

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Post by threeseed » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 9:50 AM UTC

chippy wrote: post #9

"The charge against Julian is very specific; conspiring with Chelsea Manning to publish the Iraq War logs, the Afghanistan war logs and the State Department cables. The charges are nothing to do with Sweden, nothing to do with sex, and nothing to do with the 2016 US election" I'd like to call out the popular and prolific users of hacker news who previously were all about Sweden, sex and election interference and who…

That doesn't even make any sense.

How could the US extradite Assange for a crime committed in Sweden ?

And why would they extradite for election interference when Barr would just shut it down ?

Re: Assange in Court

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Post by pjc50 » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 9:51 AM UTC

chippy wrote: post #9

"The charge against Julian is very specific; conspiring with Chelsea Manning to publish the Iraq War logs, the Afghanistan war logs and the State Department cables. The charges are nothing to do with Sweden, nothing to do with sex, and nothing to do with the 2016 US election" I'd like to call out the popular and prolific users of hacker news who previously were all about Sweden, sex and election interference and who…

The Swedish case was a separate issue; he hid in the embassy until the clock ran out on that. It's difficult to say how differently things would have gone if he'd simply gone to Sweden, but I would have expected them to be less likely to re-extradite than the UK.

It's perfectly possible for the US to be overreaching in its "national security" prosecutions and also for Assange to have sexually assaulted someone in Sweden.

Re: Assange in Court

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Post by newnewpdro » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 9:51 AM UTC

It's possible Assange hasn't been sleeping enough for years due to the stress of his situation. The effects of that might resemble those of torture and debilitating drugs.

Just something to consider...

Re: Assange in Court

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Post by newnewpdro » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 9:53 AM UTC

henearkr wrote: post #6

How is it possible there is not yet a huge mob gathering near the court and threatening to burn everything. Because, this is literally revolting. How many people support that? And how many people are disgusted by that? Would nobody regret doing nothing?

Most people don't even know the difference between Snowden and Assange, if they recognize the names at all.

Re: Assange in Court

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Post by Ardren » Tue, Oct 22, 2019, 9:56 AM UTC

pjc50 wrote: post #33

Ardren wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "When that happens your remand status changes from a serving prisoner to a person facing extradition. > "Therefore I have given your lawyer an opportunity to make an application for bail on your behalf and she has declined to do so. Perhaps not surprisingly in light of your history of absconding in these proceedings. Edit: In response to your edit, he is being held for trial, and is a huge flight risk. 𝚈̶𝚘̶𝚞̶ ̶�…

> he is being held for trial, and is a huge flight risk. You would need to check if there he is covered by a bail schedule, otherwise the US Constitution says "Excessive bail shall not be required". Point of information: he is being held in the UK and therefore what the US constitution says is irrelevant. He will be covered by the Bail Act. https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1976/63

Ah of course, I wasn't thinking straight