There is a double standard. I doubt that the wife of the US diplomat will ever be extradited to the UK after killing a UK citizens. [1]
[1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-usa-crash-parents...
Assange in Court
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#22"Extradition shall not be granted if the offense for which extradition is requested is a political offense." If an American journalist in UK is publishing Chinese military secrets, he will not be extradited to China. If an Australian journalist in UK is publishing American military secrets, will he be extradited to America? This is the question now...
Many would argue that Assange isn't a journalist. And so that also is a factor.
What is he if not a journalist? He is not accused of leaking documents himself, but of facilitating their dissemination. Sounds more or less like the textbook definition of journalism to me.
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> "When that happens your remand status changes from a serving prisoner to a person facing extradition.
> "Therefore I have given your lawyer an opportunity to make an application for bail on your behalf and she has declined to do so. Perhaps not surprisingly in light of your history of absconding in these proceedings.
Edit: In response to your edit, he is being held for trial, and is a huge flight risk. 𝚈̶𝚘̶𝚞̶ ̶𝚠̶𝚘̶𝚞̶𝚕̶𝚍̶ ̶𝚗̶𝚎̶𝚎̶𝚍̶ ̶𝚝̶𝚘̶ ̶𝚌̶𝚑̶𝚎̶𝚌̶𝚔̶ ̶𝚒̶𝚏̶ ̶𝚝̶𝚑̶𝚎̶𝚛̶𝚎̶ ̶𝚑̶𝚎̶ ̶𝚒̶𝚜̶ ̶𝚌̶𝚘̶𝚟̶𝚎̶𝚛̶𝚎̶𝚍̶ ̶𝚋̶𝚢̶ ̶𝚊̶ ̶𝚋̶𝚊̶𝚒̶𝚕̶ ̶𝚜̶𝚌̶𝚑̶𝚎̶𝚍̶𝚞̶𝚕̶𝚎̶,̶ ̶𝚘̶𝚝̶𝚑̶𝚎̶𝚛̶𝚠̶𝚒̶𝚜̶𝚎̶ ̶𝚝̶𝚑̶𝚎̶ ̶𝚄̶𝚂̶ ̶𝙲̶𝚘̶𝚗̶𝚜̶𝚝̶𝚒̶𝚝̶𝚞̶𝚝̶𝚒̶𝚘̶𝚗̶ ̶𝚜̶𝚊̶𝚢̶𝚜̶ ̶"̶𝙴̶𝚡̶𝚌̶𝚎̶𝚜̶𝚜̶𝚒̶𝚟̶𝚎̶ ̶𝚋̶𝚊̶𝚒̶𝚕̶ ̶𝚜̶𝚑̶𝚊̶𝚕̶𝚕̶ ̶𝚗̶𝚘̶𝚝̶ ̶𝚋̶𝚎̶ ̶𝚛̶𝚎̶𝚚̶𝚞̶𝚒̶𝚛̶𝚎̶𝚍̶"̶.̶
> I would be greatly ashamed if we imprison someone for more than a couple of days without any sentence/verdict/ruling/etc.
How long do you think trials last?
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But she has a point in that Assange would try anything to not depend again on such disgusting legal system.
However, if there is still the smallest chance that the ruling could be in his favor, by escaping or trying to do so he would ever more reduce this chance...
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#25How is it possible there is not yet a huge mob gathering near the court and threatening to burn everything. Because, this is literally revolting. How many people support that? And how many people are disgusted by that? Would nobody regret doing nothing?
I doubt most people care.
Outside of a few friends, I doubt most people I know know that this is 1) going on and 2) who Assange even is.
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#26In 50 years, people will look in disgust and utter disbelief at our treatment of Assange. Or maybe this is too optimistic. Maybe our grandsons will indeed understand us. They will understand us too well, and be ashamed of us.
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I mean, it's right there in your quote, he's facing extradition, so presumably can be detained until he can be extradited.
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
Many would argue that Assange isn't a journalist. And so that also is a factor.
I'll venture that the question of whether he is or is not a journalist is moot. The question is, "Is the offence for which extradition is sought political?"
It's relevant in that his crimes e.g. publishing classified material are permissible if it's done so by a journalist for public interest reasons i.e. Pentagon Papers case:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagon_Papers
And all extraditions have a degree of politicisation about them so it wouldn't be at all abnormal here.
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#29There is a double standard. I doubt that the wife of the US diplomat will ever be extradited to the UK after killing a UK citizens. [1] [1] https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-usa-crash-parents...
The UK-US extradition treaty is already not well regarded in the UK, if the US diplomat does not show up in the UK this is likely to play a big part in how the press treats high profile US extradition cases.
It’s definitely an interesting situation.
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> So is this the same as if I'm accused of committing a crime, the police can hold me in a cell until a court makes a decision on my guilt?
That's .. how it normally works? With the exception that people not likely to abscond or commit further crimes are normally released on bail.
Roughly 10% of the UK prison population is people being held on remand like this: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeand...
(The US system is far worse, in that it involves a weird private profit infrastructure of bail bondsmen. And holds a lot more people on remand. See recent article on New York closing Rikers, for example)
> hopefully it's not actual prison we keep suspects in, but a police cell?
The actual prison is significantly more humane and has actual facilities, whereas the cell is just a box.