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Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by cameronbrown »

emersion wrote: post #138
eitland wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. I now have my own stupid blog again[0] trying to add some good old fun and weirdness to the web along with some hopefully useful or thought-provoking posts in between. I wish we could have a thread (possibly even a monthly thread here, like who is hiring) where people could mention their b…

This reminds me of openring [1], which is a little box you add to your blog with links to latest articles on blogs you follow. [1]: https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/openring

The idea of a blogring is great - we need more of that imo.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by mr__y »

n-exploit wrote: post #4

This is the first time I have heard of a "tech crisis" - and I think it's appropriate. I think we, as industry leaders, need to accept and address our faults and shadows. The first step to progress is to admit that you need help.

Hi, my name is Website Owner, I add a lot of unnecessary text to all of my pages to rank better in search engines

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by zone411 »

stuart78 wrote: post #38

I think of this issue in a much more mundane way all the time. When looking for product reviews, for example, the top results are, in my experience, unusable. A search for espresso machine reviews returns SEO driven results, and even the more genuine-looking results (sorry BusinessInsider, but I don't need your input) seem to exclusively list products which the site manager can get a referral link for. I don't mind t…

Add "forum" to your google searches. You'd find genuine reviews here: http://coffeegeek.com/forums/espresso/machines

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by zone411 »

gniv wrote: post #61
stuart78 wrote: post #38

I think of this issue in a much more mundane way all the time. When looking for product reviews, for example, the top results are, in my experience, unusable. A search for espresso machine reviews returns SEO driven results, and even the more genuine-looking results (sorry BusinessInsider, but I don't need your input) seem to exclusively list products which the site manager can get a referral link for. I don't mind t…

"Business" idea: A search engine that searches just user comments and reviews (on HN, Reddit, Amazon, Google Maps, etc etc).

This has been done for forums: BoardReader.com. Google also had Discussion search previously. Now you can add "forum" to your Google searches.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by shadowgovt »

denkmoon wrote: post #104
shadowgovt wrote: post #60

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Can you explain why?

It is (was?) a place of free exchange of ideas, without ego. You have no updoots to collect, nobody can be downdooted for not conforming to groupthink. Anyone who tries to establish an identity on the site is lambasted for not respecting the anonymous nature of the discussion. There will always be a place for truly anonymous discourse. For a time, that was 4chan.

And what has been the result of that anonymous discourse?

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by eitland »

cameronbrown wrote: post #141
emersion wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This reminds me of openring [1], which is a little box you add to your blog with links to latest articles on blogs you follow. [1]: https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/openring

The idea of a blogring is great - we need more of that imo.

It is on my wishlist for my blog but for now I haven't gotten around to it.

Also planned: some kind of list of the latest pinboard.in entries from certain tags.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by buboard »

_8j50 wrote: post #81
buboard wrote: post #39

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Half the services you mention either - require a phone and phone number to sign up - lock you in - will shut down next year unless someone buys them and bastardizes them to oblivion - are services that replace services that were bought and bastardized (skype). they re bound to repeat the cycle - arent as popular / dont work (ipfs vs torrents) - lock content away from search engines - are basically rehashes of the sam…

I don't think I can change your mind but functionally I have a much better expetience and in many cases a simpler experience than in the past. Lots of lessons were learned and continue to be learned. I mean,popularity aside forums,IRC,Skype (use it everyday!) and all the old tech is mostly still there. In many ways isn't less more? Would you prefer forums with millions of active users or IRC channels with 100K+ activ…

> and all the old tech is mostly still there

Only as ghost towns

> ways isn't less more?

Err, no. Have you used facebook groups, the social groups that we are supposed to use today? Crippled intentionally, abysmally few options, impossible to discover. These are platforms for users who don't care about discourse, they want to come and shout, and shout often, to beat the algorithms. Yesterday's content is already lost. Compare that with even yahoo groups.

> prefer forums with millions

No! But that's what facebook is, what reddit is. Eternal september comes too soon

> for quite a while I used Matrix and

I wish matrix would catch on

> One size fits all doesn't scale.

Exactly . We have one size for everything today: platforms for billions. But it's a bad fit for niche, weird communities.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by ericflo »

futureshock wrote: post #64

Today I tried to read a few links off HN and hit endless paywalls and ad infestations, all for a paragraph of fluff. I logged onto Facebook and my feed was crowded out with promoted posts and memes. I went on Reddit and the tiny bit of great content was crowded out with memes. I realized this is it. The web has fully lost it's early magic and it will never recover it in this iteration. There are ways you could fix it…

Facebook has outlasted everyone else working on VR, so now they get to own that platform. They were sad they didn't get an app store monopoly like Google and Apple, and now they have one. Better luck with AR I guess, where our best hope is that at least the current tech oligarchs compete for it rather than just allowing one of them to take it like they let Facebook take VR.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by [deleted] »

shadowgovt wrote: post #145
denkmoon wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is (was?) a place of free exchange of ideas, without ego. You have no updoots to collect, nobody can be downdooted for not conforming to groupthink. Anyone who tries to establish an identity on the site is lambasted for not respecting the anonymous nature of the discussion. There will always be a place for truly anonymous discourse. For a time, that was 4chan.

And what has been the result of that anonymous discourse?

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Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by walterstucco »

_8j50 wrote: post #28
buboard wrote: post #9

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> offers much more opportunities to create and collaborate than any other time in the past. We had skype, games, ICQ, MSN, blogs, blog aggregators, rss readers, galleries, audiogalaxy, guestbooks, forums, hotline communications, IRC, video chats, joomla, wikis etc etc in the year 2003. Not much has been added. Video is perhaps the only thing that we didnt have. A big deal but it s not everything. The main change was…

You have to realize your experience is not everyone's experience. And nostalgia is a lie. > We had skype, games, ICQ, MSN, blogs, blog aggregators, rss readers, galleries, audiogalaxy, guestbooks, forums, hotline communications, IRC, video chats, joomla, wikis Signal,whatsapp,ipfs,discord,slack,github,confluence,twitter,twitch,stackoverflow and so much more from a "techie" perspective. But have you considerer how muc…

>Signal,whatsapp,ipfs,discord,slack,github,confluence,twitter,twitch,stackoverflow

none of this is a creative tool

they are all just iterations of the same idea: streaming content

the last creative tool was, sadly, flash

sadly because it could have been the beginning of an era of open content creation platforms, but it was its end

> But have you considerer how much more accesible the internet has become?

much less

my mom could have browsed the internet 20 years ago, today she can't

she doesn't know how to signup, she doesn't even know what "login with facebook" means

> You heard of Viber? Super popular in non-western countries on-par with whatsapp. Skype you say? Zoom,webex,logmein

Iterations of the same idea.

Nothing new.

> The past always looks shinyand guess what,the internet is even more mysterious now for those who get curious enough!

It is really not.

There is just more content of lower overall quality.

> pluralsight,udemy,cybrary and MOOCs

NNTP and IRC worked well enough and they were free

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