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Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by silveroriole »

I like to fantasise about invite-only internet ‘shards’ off the main internet. Each shard would have a maximum capacity, and that capacity would be small enough that someone could create an index of every page in the shard. You could only be a member of one shard at a time. Shards wouldn’t be topic-based, they’re just deliberately small communities. Like the “mosaic of subculture” and “community of 7000” in A Pattern Language.

Yeah we thought it was great that the internet could connect us to anyone, but it turns out that I only liked that as long as “anyone” was likely to be someone similar to me. Now that “anyone” is more likely to be a brand, an advertiser or an influencer tween... no thanks.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by Nasrudith »

Digital colonialism is a deeply ironic phrase that underlies hypocrisy - it has long been favored by communist circles, the fascists wearing communist's clothing types, especially third world nationalists. It is a favorite for attacking any outsidsers who interfere with "their" territory completely independent of coerciveness or actual sins of colonialism. If a doctor came in and brought real medicine into an epidemic they would deride it as colonialism.

And yet here they are Johhny come lates now coming in to colonize their daft ideas about colonalism and control when they were late adopters.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by Nasrudith »

stuart78 wrote: post #38

I think of this issue in a much more mundane way all the time. When looking for product reviews, for example, the top results are, in my experience, unusable. A search for espresso machine reviews returns SEO driven results, and even the more genuine-looking results (sorry BusinessInsider, but I don't need your input) seem to exclusively list products which the site manager can get a referral link for. I don't mind t…

SEO has always been an arms race between the crap and what people actually want with the Joe's coffee corner caught in the middle. I remember earlier Google for instance having more keyword and snippet spam pages. I am glad they are largely gone but now reviews are loaded with purchased shills.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by asjw »

aww_dang wrote: post #128
cft wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Develop apps For locked down duopoly (85% and growing Google actually) walled garden, that has telemetry for every app launch, install, uninstall, access to every single push notification in plain text and can boot your "niche" app from the Play Store on a whim... Most of those newly connected to the internet are on locked down "smartphones" and not on general purpose computers anymore.

Check into progressive webapps. You can utilize homescreen app icon functionality if you add service workers. No more app/play store or walled garden. For every objection there is a can-do work around.

They are even more limited then regular apps though...

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by Animats »

Recently I switched from Google search to Bing search. Bing is years behind Google, and today, that's a feature. Microsoft just hasn't bothered to do the obnoxious things Google does now. Bing doesn't have much content of its own. The better search results seem to show up before the ads. It's not flashy, but it's OK.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by asjw »

Nasrudith wrote: post #132

Digital colonialism is a deeply ironic phrase that underlies hypocrisy - it has long been favored by communist circles, the fascists wearing communist's clothing types, especially third world nationalists. It is a favorite for attacking any outsidsers who interfere with "their" territory completely independent of coerciveness or actual sins of colonialism. If a doctor came in and brought real medicine into an epidemi…

When you control the means of communication and are a foreign super power, it is colonialism.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by Daniel_sk »

Animats wrote: post #135

Recently I switched from Google search to Bing search. Bing is years behind Google, and today, that's a feature. Microsoft just hasn't bothered to do the obnoxious things Google does now. Bing doesn't have much content of its own. The better search results seem to show up before the ads. It's not flashy, but it's OK.

I think they also supply results to DuckDuckGo.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by emersion »

eitland wrote: post #99
aww_dang wrote: post #90

I skimmed the comments here. Then I skimmed the article. Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. The article is about a lawyer arguing for 'justice' through highly politicized language. YMMV, but I don't think "The Internet of creation" was hindered for want of lawyers, lobbyists or regulations. Similarly, sitting on the sidelines…

> Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. I now have my own stupid blog again[0] trying to add some good old fun and weirdness to the web along with some hopefully useful or thought-provoking posts in between. I wish we could have a thread (possibly even a monthly thread here, like who is hiring) where people could mention their b…

This reminds me of openring [1], which is a little box you add to your blog with links to latest articles on blogs you follow.

[1]: https://git.sr.ht/~sircmpwn/openring

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by tannhaeuser »

aww_dang wrote: post #90

I skimmed the comments here. Then I skimmed the article. Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. The article is about a lawyer arguing for 'justice' through highly politicized language. YMMV, but I don't think "The Internet of creation" was hindered for want of lawyers, lobbyists or regulations. Similarly, sitting on the sidelines…

> Be the change you want to see

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21320938

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by mr__y »

stuart78 wrote: post #38

I think of this issue in a much more mundane way all the time. When looking for product reviews, for example, the top results are, in my experience, unusable. A search for espresso machine reviews returns SEO driven results, and even the more genuine-looking results (sorry BusinessInsider, but I don't need your input) seem to exclusively list products which the site manager can get a referral link for. I don't mind t…

>here is a Facebook group that might have better perspectives, or 'Coffee Twitter', but neither of those are easy to discover through Google I'm seeing this as a growing problem, more and more content exists that is not accessible for Google and therefore not searchable
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