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BlizzCon 2019 Protest “Full-Steam Ahead,” Say Organizers

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Re: BlizzCon 2019 Protest “Full-Steam Ahead,” Say Organizers

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Post by chmod775 »

jasonlotito wrote: post #64
chmod775 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alternatively: "I don't want other people's pain and suffering to ruin my good time. Please suffer quietly and out of sight."

But that's already been happening for years. It wasn't until Blizzard banned a HS player that people got riled up. Prior to that, no one really cared. In fact, those doing the boycott weren't planning on doing anything prior to this. It wasn't until the community they were apart of was affected that they did something. If anything, Blizzard doing what it did helped the cause more than anything. If they hadn't done an…

> But that's already been happening for years.

I'm not sure what you're referring to.

The protests in Hong Kong have been going on for for at most 200 days and it is only recently that the situation escalated to where we are at now.

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Post by tyri_kai_psomi »

prepend wrote: post #56
chii wrote: post #35

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> social issues and black incarceration and inequality in America they spoke up bravely people reveal their true values when they have to actually make a sacrifice.

I was having a similar conversation about how interesting it is that celebrities are all for easy moral decisions like “you can pee next to me” but when it comes to moral decisions that might hit their pocket book, they are quiet and even suppressive. Taleb’s Skin in the Game gets brought up a lot, but I think it’s safe for me to assume that unless someone can suffer a loss, they are just saying blargh. I know there…

If you want to see someone who has skin in the game in the NBA, look at Enes Kanter. The things he says about the Turkish government are putting his life and his family's lives in actual danger. Makes the "sacrifices" your Kaepernick and LeBron types have made seem pretty tame in comparison (aka not really sacrificing anything)

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Post by diminoten »

Beltiras wrote: post #114
diminoten wrote: post #107

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You've "come around" to that position? Are you suggesting that the baseline isn't that position? No one is suggesting Blizzard is irredeemable, it's just very unlikely, given Blizzard's past behavior, that they're going to take the necessary steps to fix this. Honestly, what the heck are you even talking about? You sound like someone who is actively trying to misrepresent the situation...

I actually started out thinking Blizzard could do nothing to redeem themselves. What level of action would make me believe they could be a trusted honest actor on the cultural stage given the capitulation to CCP interest? I cancelled my WoW subscription and uninstalled all their games, quit following the streamers that produced content for Blizz games and started speaking out on social media against them. Their actio…

> What level of action would make me believe they could be a trusted honest actor on the cultural stage given the capitulation to CCP interest?

You tell me! You just wrote:

> I've come around to the position thou that there are redeeming steps Blizz can take.

What is this conversation?

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Post by Pfhreak »

ethbro wrote: post #93
Pfhreak wrote: post #77

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There's a large contingent of people who don't want corporations at Pride. But there's also the reasonable view that 'woke for the money' corporations are still better than not woke corporations. It's challenging to work through what's best, especially when the employees of a business might hold stronger views than their employer.

There's also "woke for the talent", which in the current skill economy is non-negligible. If you're having a hard time finding international software developers to work for you because you're sponsoring US border militias (to use a ridiculous example), then you're materially hurting your bottom line via political speech. And while that's an example of active speech, there are similar examples of lack-of-speech. E.g.…

It's also strange that devs have so much leverage and don't immediately try to unionize to lock in that leverage. I bet most software devs make a fraction of what they earn for their company. A significant fraction, but a fraction just the same. I'm surprised that given how desirable the skill set is they are willing to leave that money on the table.

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Post by optuggert »

bovermyer wrote: post #6

As long as the protesters don't disrupt the experience that I paid for too much, they can do whatever they want. After weighing the facts carefully, I've decided that Blizzard was justified in penalizing the Hearthstone player, justified in penalizing the two casters, and truly abysmal at managing public relations. My position on Hong Kong is unchanged. I'm still firmly of the belief that China needs to grant Hong Ko…

It’s ironic you are been downvoted and hidden for this comment.

If downvoting isn’t considered censorship, then what Blizzard is doing isn’t censorship.

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Post by ethbro »

Pfhreak wrote: post #184
ethbro wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's also "woke for the talent", which in the current skill economy is non-negligible. If you're having a hard time finding international software developers to work for you because you're sponsoring US border militias (to use a ridiculous example), then you're materially hurting your bottom line via political speech. And while that's an example of active speech, there are similar examples of lack-of-speech. E.g.…

It's also strange that devs have so much leverage and don't immediately try to unionize to lock in that leverage. I bet most software devs make a fraction of what they earn for their company. A significant fraction, but a fraction just the same. I'm surprised that given how desirable the skill set is they are willing to leave that money on the table.

It's almost like they're anti-social or something.

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Post by hermitdev »

metalliqaz wrote: post #146
hermitdev wrote: post #113

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Blizzard has since reinstated his winnings and reduced the ban to 6 months. > Blizzard originally banned the Hong Kong-based player for a year and withheld his prize money after he said "Liberate Hong Kong, revolution of our age!" in Chinese during the livestreamed event. That penalty was later reduced to a six-month suspension, and Chung's prize money was reinstated Second paragraph in https://arstechnica.com/gaming…

Yeah, after they were raked over the coals by everyone from their own fans to the US Congress. Perhaps a bit too late.

I was not making any commentary on Blizzard, I was just pointing out that they had backtracked, to an extent from what the GP was posting.

Personally, I disagree with Blizzard's stance, but it should be noted that they partially backtracked. They're letting him keep the prize money, and down to a 6 month suspension from 12 months.

Blizzard's terms about not causing offense are so broad that one could hardly wish someone a good morning without risking offending someone.

To reiterate: I am not defending Blizzard, just pointing out they had a partial mea culpa.

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Post by FDSGSG »

UserIsUnused wrote: post #121
FDSGSG wrote: post #36

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>See the date. As others have noted, even thought this post was on Friday, which was the 11th, the date on the post is the 12th, indicating that it was posted from overseas, possibly China. That's not a big deal in and of itself, but let's me talk about how these things are done. Ah yes, UTC == China. Very reasonable logic here! This post was almost certainly made on Fri Oct 11 2019 17:18:58 PDT from Irvine, CA. Ever…

Do yourself a favor and finish reading the chain

I have now done that, my opinion remains unchanged.

Re: BlizzCon 2019 Protest “Full-Steam Ahead,” Say Organizers

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Post by FDSGSG »

Supermancho wrote: post #126
FDSGSG wrote: post #86

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It also could have been a date based on last edit. There are so many possibilities, that it is suspect. Fair point. Unlike you, I don't think it's all that important a detail as its omission (mistake or not) does not detract from the analysis. Not to get too meta, but if it was intentional, why would it necessarily be, since it's so incidental to the narrative?

>Not to get too meta, but if it was intentional, why would it necessarily be, since it's so incidental to the narrative?

The decision to add "possibly China" despite no evidence pointing towards that was certainly intentional and in bad faith.

>Unlike you, I don't think it's all that important a detail as its omission (mistake or not) does not detract from the analysis.

I think his choice to deliberately misinform is worth being called out whether or not it detracts from the rest of the analysis. It's clear that this thread wasn't written in good faith.

The rest of his analysis is uninteresting and not worthy of much criticism, he's mostly correct, but a HS student could come up with this stuff.

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