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BlizzCon 2019 Protest “Full-Steam Ahead,” Say Organizers

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Post by UserIsUnused »

FDSGSG wrote: post #36
CreepGin wrote: post #11

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It's a statement written for Chinese Authorities. This twitter thread analyzes it pretty well. https://twitter.com/Grummz/status/1183215204525412352

>See the date. As others have noted, even thought this post was on Friday, which was the 11th, the date on the post is the 12th, indicating that it was posted from overseas, possibly China. That's not a big deal in and of itself, but let's me talk about how these things are done. Ah yes, UTC == China. Very reasonable logic here! This post was almost certainly made on Fri Oct 11 2019 17:18:58 PDT from Irvine, CA. Ever…

Do yourself a favor and finish reading the chain

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Post by sylk »

jpetrucc wrote: post #108

Blizzard used to be my favorite gaming company. I remember when I was much younger dreaming of being able to work there on World of Warcraft. I played a ridiculous amount of WoW/Warcraft 3/Starcraft as a kid, and more recently a decent amount of WoW/Hearthstone/Overwatch. I had been a WoW subscriber for over a decade. WoW's quality has been in decline (IMO) recently in BFA, and I stayed because I still occasionally e…

We do this together, you're not the only one. I even disavowed Hearthstone, even though I've played since the open beta.

Cast them to the Chinese market, that's what they want the most. I guess that's fine, I just won't give them any more money.

It also seems we're not the only two people on NA that are doing this, so relish in the fact that there's many more of us out there, where this finally drew a line.

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Post by Supermancho »

metalliqaz wrote: post #110
ericol wrote: post #76

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I understand your point; but I don't think Blizzard actions would had been this strong on any other similar situation (Say, Blitzchung supporting the Catalonian separatists). All evidence seems to indicate Blizzard acted this way because China.

Blizzard could have kicked him out of the tournament and said "don't use our platform for controversy" and probably nothing would have happened. Instead they stripped him of his winnings, banned him for a year, and then release two public statements one in English that was bad enough, and another in Chinese that absolutely prostrated themselves before the Mainland government. It was pathetic.

> Blizzard could have kicked him out of the tournament

The tournament was over tho?

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Post by drucik »

Beltiras wrote: post #114
diminoten wrote: post #107

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You've "come around" to that position? Are you suggesting that the baseline isn't that position? No one is suggesting Blizzard is irredeemable, it's just very unlikely, given Blizzard's past behavior, that they're going to take the necessary steps to fix this. Honestly, what the heck are you even talking about? You sound like someone who is actively trying to misrepresent the situation...

I actually started out thinking Blizzard could do nothing to redeem themselves. What level of action would make me believe they could be a trusted honest actor on the cultural stage given the capitulation to CCP interest? I cancelled my WoW subscription and uninstalled all their games, quit following the streamers that produced content for Blizz games and started speaking out on social media against them. Their actio…

A statement like Randy Marsh made - “F—— the Chinese government” - seems like a candidate for a redemption ;)

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Post by bovermyer »

chmod775 wrote: post #40
jressey wrote: post #16

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Let me summarize: 'Thoughts and prayers to the people of Hong Kong.'

Alternatively: "I don't want other people's pain and suffering to ruin my good time. Please suffer quietly and out of sight."

Do not mistake my judgment in favor of Blizzard's actions for approval of China's actions.

Hong Kong is in crisis and its people need help.

Blizzard's actions do not equate to subservience to China. They may have been a little too harsh in enforcing their extant policy, however.

I think these protesters would be better served by protesting at NBA games, given the much wider audience. I don't deny their right to protest at BlizzCon, but I think they're wasting their time. As such, I don't see their disruption of BlizzCon as anything other than a disruption. It's not like it's going to change my opinion of China (which I've stated elsewhere here).

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Post by Supermancho »

FDSGSG wrote: post #86
dzamie wrote: post #47

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It also could have been a date based on last edit. There are so many possibilities, that it is suspect. Fair point.

Unlike you, I don't think it's all that important a detail as its omission (mistake or not) does not detract from the analysis.

Not to get too meta, but if it was intentional, why would it necessarily be, since it's so incidental to the narrative?

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Post by teknologist »

ericol wrote: post #116

I think that's the ruling party way of things: They usually try to obliterate into particles whoever dares to oppose them. Or whoever crosses their path; or whoever they don't like for whatever reason. Just take a look at the Uyghurs situation. * edited because it seems people where taking offence on I miss using the word Chinese instead of "ruling party", that is actually what I meant.

That's very much a CCP thing. Chinese people are actually rather nice.

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Post by SkyMarshal »

ericol wrote: post #116

I think that's the ruling party way of things: They usually try to obliterate into particles whoever dares to oppose them. Or whoever crosses their path; or whoever they don't like for whatever reason. Just take a look at the Uyghurs situation. * edited because it seems people where taking offence on I miss using the word Chinese instead of "ruling party", that is actually what I meant.

Chinese way or Communist Party way? They’re not necessarily the same.

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Post by hugey010 »

erulabs wrote: post #100
ahelwer wrote: post #74

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Perhaps people will now realize corporations only act woke to the extent it is to their benefit, and not a millimeter further. Profit consumes all. Corporations will never choose morality.

CVS stopped selling cigarettes and lost $2B revenue per year. After a few years, their stock is up. Is that seeking profit or doing what's right? Why does public good and public profit always have to be opposed? If being "woke" is profitable, we shouldn't discourage the good just because of potential profits. That would be like boycotting the Prius because Toyota is trying to make money off environmental concerns...

There are a few decent case studies around this move, and I still find it fascinating. They can say they did it for their values, but immediate revenue loss for values doesn't happen all that often. If it were truly for values, I'd expect alcohol to be removed from shelves as well.

In the early 2000's, CVS started treating patients at their MinuteClinics in the pharmacy. It became directly comparable to an actual doctors office, where cigarettes haven't been sold since the 1950's.

Anecdotally, and ironically, most of the people that are aware CVS made this move are inconvenienced smokers. I'd expect a huge continued marketing campaign around this endeavor in the US, but it hasn't been as strong as many other less impressive campaigns.

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