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Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by cft »

aww_dang wrote: post #90

I skimmed the comments here. Then I skimmed the article. Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. The article is about a lawyer arguing for 'justice' through highly politicized language. YMMV, but I don't think "The Internet of creation" was hindered for want of lawyers, lobbyists or regulations. Similarly, sitting on the sidelines…

> Develop apps

For locked down duopoly (85% and growing Google actually) walled garden, that has telemetry for every app launch, install, uninstall, access to every single push notification in plain text and can boot your "niche" app from the Play Store on a whim... Most of those newly connected to the internet are on locked down "smartphones" and not on general purpose computers anymore.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by watwut »

shadowgovt wrote: post #62
mc3 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks! Here is the meat: WITTES: He was writing about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania General Assembly and the family of the Penns, the proprietary family of the Pennsylvania colony who ruled it from afar. And the legislature was trying to tax the Penn family lands to pay for frontier defense during the French and Indian War. And the Penn family kept instructing the governor to veto. Franklin felt that this w…

I somewhat disagree. Without the assumed historical connotation of the quote, which as you have just indicated is incorrect, the thought itself (trading liberty for safety yields neither) is just false. It is simply one of the trades one must do in a stable society.

Unsafe situations do not yeild themselves into liberty. Instead, they are the exact situations when violent authoritarian groups arise. One way to push toward own dictatorship is to consciously push the country you are in into disorder and unsafety. (Famously, Nazi did exactly that.)

Meanwhile, free people seek themselves safety. Meanwhile, authoritarian groups tend to push for eager to fight risk taking masculinity.

It is not really trade off.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by holoduke »

baroffoos wrote: post #56
gonehome wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My default for those kinds of queries now is “ reddit”. Google results are generally poor otherwise. I’m not sure if this is because their algorithms are gamed or if it’s just because the internet outside of the main website hubs is just generally low quality (most high quality content has moved to hubs like reddit).

Reddit reviews are generally a pretty good source to find out what the flaws of a product are. I like to work out what the most common ways the product fails and how possible it is to fix them. I made the mistake of buying a pair of skullcandy headphones and after a month the plastic cracked and then I checked reddit and saw pretty much everyone who has this pair has had the same bit of plastic crack.

I think forums in general (not only reddit) are the best sources to find realistic info about almost any subject. Holiday resorts, cars, electronics, movies, education and more. You get a lot of subjective opinions, just like here. But all together they form a much better overview than most text or video reviews

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by indigochill »

kickscondor wrote: post #108
eitland wrote: post #99

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> Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. I now have my own stupid blog again[0] trying to add some good old fun and weirdness to the web along with some hopefully useful or thought-provoking posts in between. I wish we could have a thread (possibly even a monthly thread here, like who is hiring) where people could mention their b…

Occasionally there is a thread for this (about every 6 months) and it also happens in the comments spontaneously (such as on this post.) Here's another example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20362319 I try to compile the sites that people list here: https://www.kickscondor.com/hrefhunt/ I will obviously be mining this thread. ;D

I have a quirky and sparse personal page, but people are welcome to look at it if they want to. I'm playing with a concept of presenting a personal site as interactive (non?)fiction as an alternative to the expectations we have of website UI. It may be counterproductive, but it's playful. And open source!

https://maxsond.github.io/

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by eitland »

indigochill wrote: post #124
kickscondor wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Occasionally there is a thread for this (about every 6 months) and it also happens in the comments spontaneously (such as on this post.) Here's another example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20362319 I try to compile the sites that people list here: https://www.kickscondor.com/hrefhunt/ I will obviously be mining this thread. ;D

I have a quirky and sparse personal page, but people are welcome to look at it if they want to. I'm playing with a concept of presenting a personal site as interactive (non?)fiction as an alternative to the expectations we have of website UI. It may be counterproductive, but it's playful. And open source! https://maxsond.github.io/

Nice!

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by afarviral »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #70
gniv wrote: post #61

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"Business" idea: A search engine that searches just user comments and reviews (on HN, Reddit, Amazon, Google Maps, etc etc).

Advanced Search

Out of curiosity how would create an advanced search string for this?

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by buboard »

aww_dang wrote: post #90

I skimmed the comments here. Then I skimmed the article. Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. The article is about a lawyer arguing for 'justice' through highly politicized language. YMMV, but I don't think "The Internet of creation" was hindered for want of lawyers, lobbyists or regulations. Similarly, sitting on the sidelines…

Don't argue. Build.

Even though i d say that a lot of innovation is stifled by regulatory constraints, the biggest one being: it's too hard to take payments and much harder to pay users. We have the technology to have digital cash on the internet but tax office won't let anyone use it

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by aww_dang »

cft wrote: post #121
aww_dang wrote: post #90

I skimmed the comments here. Then I skimmed the article. Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. The article is about a lawyer arguing for 'justice' through highly politicized language. YMMV, but I don't think "The Internet of creation" was hindered for want of lawyers, lobbyists or regulations. Similarly, sitting on the sidelines…

> Develop apps For locked down duopoly (85% and growing Google actually) walled garden, that has telemetry for every app launch, install, uninstall, access to every single push notification in plain text and can boot your "niche" app from the Play Store on a whim... Most of those newly connected to the internet are on locked down "smartphones" and not on general purpose computers anymore.

Check into progressive webapps. You can utilize homescreen app icon functionality if you add service workers. No more app/play store or walled garden.

For every objection there is a can-do work around.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by idoubtit »

The way most people act on internet has changed dramatically. Web users are usually consumers, and web "creators" are often standard sellers. People got used to the fact the sites are there to attract them in a race for attention.

An anecdotal evidence: circa 2000, I published an old French dictionary. I received thousands of emails about it during the first years. Some people just asked about a word, or send their thanks, or noticed some kind of error. Nowadays, the number of visits hasn't changed, but almost nobody sends email. I probably wouldn't answer them anyway. I believe this is an side-effect of a larger change. Maybe writing email is now a harder task. Maybe people aren't used to non-promotion sites outside Wikipedia.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by rahidz »

afarviral wrote: post #126
TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Advanced Search

Out of curiosity how would create an advanced search string for this?

Trial and error, something like

"espresso machine" review OR recommend site:reddit.com

or

"espresso machine" review OR recommend site:news.ycombinator.com

works well

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