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Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by firefoxd »

The internet of creation? You literally cannot think of an idea that someone hasn't built a website for. And then someone see those websites and say, "well theirs sucks, mine will be better" and they build their own.

It has never been easier to create something online. I ride with random people on a shared ride and they give me a card with a website they created themselves. It's ugly, it's crappy, but it's exactly in the spirit of the internet of creation.

People who created in the 90s were a minority, a small percentage of the total connected. Today, this percentage continues to grow. Though it is still the minority.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by j45 »

firefoxd wrote: post #111

The internet of creation? You literally cannot think of an idea that someone hasn't built a website for. And then someone see those websites and say, "well theirs sucks, mine will be better" and they build their own. It has never been easier to create something online. I ride with random people on a shared ride and they give me a card with a website they created themselves. It's ugly, it's crappy, but it's exactly in…

There might have been a minority of creators, but there was far less to consume compared to today.

The creators in the 90s created because there was very little to consume compared to today. When the creators of the 90s were kids they didn’t consume, because there was little to anything to consume. But creating software was limitless.

Creating content in someone’s platform is different than creating your own HTML experience. Both are relevant... but the percentage of creation should be a default skill of all users beyond working for companies for free to create user generated content to sell.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by colechristensen »

stuart78 wrote: post #38

I think of this issue in a much more mundane way all the time. When looking for product reviews, for example, the top results are, in my experience, unusable. A search for espresso machine reviews returns SEO driven results, and even the more genuine-looking results (sorry BusinessInsider, but I don't need your input) seem to exclusively list products which the site manager can get a referral link for. I don't mind t…

the key is money.

google wants to get paid, blog writers want to get paid, manufacturers want to make sales

the people with the lesser interest in profit (or attention $ instead of quality get buried because they dont make anybody else any money

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by browie »

kickscondor wrote: post #108
eitland wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. I now have my own stupid blog again[0] trying to add some good old fun and weirdness to the web along with some hopefully useful or thought-provoking posts in between. I wish we could have a thread (possibly even a monthly thread here, like who is hiring) where people could mention their b…

Occasionally there is a thread for this (about every 6 months) and it also happens in the comments spontaneously (such as on this post.) Here's another example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20362319 I try to compile the sites that people list here: https://www.kickscondor.com/hrefhunt/ I will obviously be mining this thread. ;D

Why does everything go to shit as I scroll?

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by codesushi42 »

Frost1x wrote: post #100
codesushi42 wrote: post #58

The title says it all. The Internet used to be about building and sharing things. Then it turned into a giant and mindless message feed where everyone exposes everything about their private lives, intentionally or not. Now all of the hot new opportunities that exist are to spy on and exploit that data. The latest AI hype is a consequence of the pervasiveness of "big data". I miss building and sharing cool things inst…

Part of that was a higher barrier to entry to push content online. It wasn't hard per se but it wasn't easy. Now, my 5 year old nephew can do it. Before, it took dedication and creativity to put something together. It's now more difficult to find needles in the haystack.

Indeed.

Now all of the infrastructure is built. Oversaturated and consolidated.

At least the game dev scene is vibrant, even if overcrowded.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by okusername »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #67
mc32 wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s s sad state of affairs for product search. I do the same (site:reddit) and I’m almost certain most people do too. Google search I guess is good for entertainment search or “buzzy” things like whatever is trending on the trendsetting social networks of the day, but regular search is too spammy and farmed stuff. Often it’s junk.

I don’t think most people do, because if they did, Reddit would also be gamed.

Reddit is definitely being gamed, started 1-2 years ago. And it's a lot harder / impossible to identify fake recommendations, so I'm very suspicious of it.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by eitland »

davidjnelson wrote: post #101
eitland wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. I now have my own stupid blog again[0] trying to add some good old fun and weirdness to the web along with some hopefully useful or thought-provoking posts in between. I wish we could have a thread (possibly even a monthly thread here, like who is hiring) where people could mention their b…

> I wish we could have a thread (possibly even a monthly thread here, like who is hiring) where people could mention their blogs, web sites etc. I dig the sentiment. Isn’t that what Show HN and posting links to blog posts does though?

> I dig the sentiment. Isn’t that what Show HN and posting links to blog posts does though?

Thanks!

The reason I want a semiregular thread is because given the amount of work that goes into many show HNs I guess most people here are wary of posting their blogs as "Show HN".

Posting it in a "Ask HN: who is writing - October 2019" thread might be less scary.

If anyone posts that within a few minutes I'll upvote it (I have enough points so I don't need to start another valuable thread for that.)

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by Y_Y »

hyperpallium wrote: post #49
stuart78 wrote: post #38

I think of this issue in a much more mundane way all the time. When looking for product reviews, for example, the top results are, in my experience, unusable. A search for espresso machine reviews returns SEO driven results, and even the more genuine-looking results (sorry BusinessInsider, but I don't need your input) seem to exclusively list products which the site manager can get a referral link for. I don't mind t…

An opportunity for a different kind of search. SEO is tuned for Google, making it the inevitable victim of its own success. Let a thousand algorithms bloom! Maybe we'll get a variety of search engine styles , in the same way we have different blood types to frustrate blood parasites.

> Differing views and solutions to national policy were encouraged based on the famous expression by Communist Party Chairman Mao Zedong: "The policy of letting a hundred flowers bloom and a hundred schools of thought contend is designed to promote the flourishing of the arts and the progress of science".The movement was in part a response to the demoralization of intellectuals, who felt estranged from the Communist Party.

> After this brief period of liberalization, Mao cracked down on those who criticized the communist regime.

This is just a ploy by Google to flush out dissenters.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by eitland »

chewxy wrote: post #109
kickscondor wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Occasionally there is a thread for this (about every 6 months) and it also happens in the comments spontaneously (such as on this post.) Here's another example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20362319 I try to compile the sites that people list here: https://www.kickscondor.com/hrefhunt/ I will obviously be mining this thread. ;D

Is the list supposed to degenerate to noise? edit: also add my blog! https://blog.chewxy.com

> Is the list supposed to degenerate to noise?

Happens both on Safari on my iPad as well as on my Android phone with Firefox mobile.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by Moonshooter »

aww_dang wrote: post #90

I skimmed the comments here. Then I skimmed the article. Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. The article is about a lawyer arguing for 'justice' through highly politicized language. YMMV, but I don't think "The Internet of creation" was hindered for want of lawyers, lobbyists or regulations. Similarly, sitting on the sidelines…

>Be the change you want to see.

This is such important advice across so many aspects of life in general! It's easy to support a movement that's already started to to gain momentum. Something I think about still from my college days is actually from a sociology class I took as an easy requirement filler (something to do with gender studies, I forget the name).

Summarized, there's rarely a reward for being the vanguard who blazes the trail. Sometimes you might even be penalized because your methods to break into the limelight were extreme and are now hobbling your movement's mainstream appeal. The class's talking point was that there were women who fought their whole lives for the right to vote but never saw it happen or even begin to happen. But their work served to inspire activists of a later generation who went on to succeed. Sometimes we have to plant a garden knowing we might not see live to see the flowers bloom.

Clearly software is a different beast but we too, as an undustry, have things which are mainstream or valuable now but which once upon a time had only their visionaries to fight for them.

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