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Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by davidjnelson »

eitland wrote: post #99
aww_dang wrote: post #90

I skimmed the comments here. Then I skimmed the article. Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. The article is about a lawyer arguing for 'justice' through highly politicized language. YMMV, but I don't think "The Internet of creation" was hindered for want of lawyers, lobbyists or regulations. Similarly, sitting on the sidelines…

> Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. I now have my own stupid blog again[0] trying to add some good old fun and weirdness to the web along with some hopefully useful or thought-provoking posts in between. I wish we could have a thread (possibly even a monthly thread here, like who is hiring) where people could mention their b…

> I wish we could have a thread (possibly even a monthly thread here, like who is hiring) where people could mention their blogs, web sites etc.

I dig the sentiment. Isn’t that what Show HN and posting links to blog posts does though?

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by davidjnelson »

futureshock wrote: post #64

Today I tried to read a few links off HN and hit endless paywalls and ad infestations, all for a paragraph of fluff. I logged onto Facebook and my feed was crowded out with promoted posts and memes. I went on Reddit and the tiny bit of great content was crowded out with memes. I realized this is it. The web has fully lost it's early magic and it will never recover it in this iteration. There are ways you could fix it…

A few hacks that don’t fully solve it but do help to some extent: adblock plus, just read, incognito mode, searching the article title and clicking through from google ( or the “web” link here in Hn ).

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by davidjnelson »

aww_dang wrote: post #90

I skimmed the comments here. Then I skimmed the article. Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. The article is about a lawyer arguing for 'justice' through highly politicized language. YMMV, but I don't think "The Internet of creation" was hindered for want of lawyers, lobbyists or regulations. Similarly, sitting on the sidelines…

So true. It’s a mindset issue. Be a maverick. Don’t let big corporations brainwash you. Also, why GitHub is so amazing :-D

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

#104

Post by denkmoon »

shadowgovt wrote: post #60
denkmoon wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That the free internet gave us the likes of 4chan is exactly why we should defend it.

Can you explain why?

It is (was?) a place of free exchange of ideas, without ego. You have no updoots to collect, nobody can be downdooted for not conforming to groupthink. Anyone who tries to establish an identity on the site is lambasted for not respecting the anonymous nature of the discussion.

There will always be a place for truly anonymous discourse. For a time, that was 4chan.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

#105

Post by [deleted] »

pacala wrote: post #94
aww_dang wrote: post #90

I skimmed the comments here. Then I skimmed the article. Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. The article is about a lawyer arguing for 'justice' through highly politicized language. YMMV, but I don't think "The Internet of creation" was hindered for want of lawyers, lobbyists or regulations. Similarly, sitting on the sidelines…

Indie movies are a small niche. The creation you talk about is in the same ballpark: it exists, but mostly negligible.

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Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

#106

Post by rhizome »

jimktrains2 wrote: post #50
rhizome wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe something to make would be an addition to mail servers that chat-ifies group emails.

Chatifies in what way?

Group iMessage = CC list, cc list becomes messaging group. I suppose one way this could play out would be simply to add an email submission API for text messaging app(s), but it's an incomplete idea so far. :)

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by davidjnelson »

thrower123 wrote: post #66
futureshock wrote: post #64

Today I tried to read a few links off HN and hit endless paywalls and ad infestations, all for a paragraph of fluff. I logged onto Facebook and my feed was crowded out with promoted posts and memes. I went on Reddit and the tiny bit of great content was crowded out with memes. I realized this is it. The web has fully lost it's early magic and it will never recover it in this iteration. There are ways you could fix it…

If everybody here would flag the paywall'd junk and not upvote it, it could be a nicer place. Liberally using the 'hide' button also helps, but only yourself. You kind of need to cull out a third of it. One of these days I'm going to make a custom skin that filters out the worst of the hosts that clog up the front page.

Grateful for that hide feature, so useful. Thanks for adding that Hn team.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

#108

Post by kickscondor »

eitland wrote: post #99
aww_dang wrote: post #90

I skimmed the comments here. Then I skimmed the article. Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. The article is about a lawyer arguing for 'justice' through highly politicized language. YMMV, but I don't think "The Internet of creation" was hindered for want of lawyers, lobbyists or regulations. Similarly, sitting on the sidelines…

> Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. I now have my own stupid blog again[0] trying to add some good old fun and weirdness to the web along with some hopefully useful or thought-provoking posts in between. I wish we could have a thread (possibly even a monthly thread here, like who is hiring) where people could mention their b…

Occasionally there is a thread for this (about every 6 months) and it also happens in the comments spontaneously (such as on this post.) Here's another example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20362319

I try to compile the sites that people list here: https://www.kickscondor.com/hrefhunt/ I will obviously be mining this thread. ;D

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by chewxy »

kickscondor wrote: post #108
eitland wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Getting out there and developing the sites/apps you want to see will bring change. Be proactive. Be the change you want to see. I now have my own stupid blog again[0] trying to add some good old fun and weirdness to the web along with some hopefully useful or thought-provoking posts in between. I wish we could have a thread (possibly even a monthly thread here, like who is hiring) where people could mention their b…

Occasionally there is a thread for this (about every 6 months) and it also happens in the comments spontaneously (such as on this post.) Here's another example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20362319 I try to compile the sites that people list here: https://www.kickscondor.com/hrefhunt/ I will obviously be mining this thread. ;D

Is the list supposed to degenerate to noise?

edit: also add my blog! https://blog.chewxy.com

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by jimktrains2 »

rhizome wrote: post #106
jimktrains2 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chatifies in what way?

Group iMessage = CC list, cc list becomes messaging group. I suppose one way this could play out would be simply to add an email submission API for text messaging app(s), but it's an incomplete idea so far. :)

I'm still not sure what you mean. Are you simply talking about an email client that looks like a text messaging program?
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