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Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by gniv »

stuart78 wrote: post #38

I think of this issue in a much more mundane way all the time. When looking for product reviews, for example, the top results are, in my experience, unusable. A search for espresso machine reviews returns SEO driven results, and even the more genuine-looking results (sorry BusinessInsider, but I don't need your input) seem to exclusively list products which the site manager can get a referral link for. I don't mind t…

"Business" idea: A search engine that searches just user comments and reviews (on HN, Reddit, Amazon, Google Maps, etc etc).

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by shadowgovt »

mc3 wrote: post #45
shadowgovt wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Modern interpretations of that quote are way off the bead from the historical origin and intent of the original speaker. https://www.npr.org/2015/03/02/390245038/ben-franklins-famou... It's not unlike people misattributing the quote about the net, censorship, and damage to mean the internet, When it actually referred to USENET (a system that was, essentially, censored by collective action of internet service provider…

Thanks! Here is the meat: WITTES: He was writing about a tax dispute between the Pennsylvania General Assembly and the family of the Penns, the proprietary family of the Pennsylvania colony who ruled it from afar. And the legislature was trying to tax the Penn family lands to pay for frontier defense during the French and Indian War. And the Penn family kept instructing the governor to veto. Franklin felt that this w…

I somewhat disagree. Without the assumed historical connotation of the quote, which as you have just indicated is incorrect, the thought itself (trading liberty for safety yields neither) is just false. It is simply one of the trades one must do in a stable society.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by floren »

NeedMoreTea wrote: post #27
_8j50 wrote: post #5

I can accept some of what is said on this article but from a technical perspective the internet (imho) offers much more opportunities to create and collaborate than any other time in the past. I believe most of the shortcomings and abuse of the internet is a result of mass adoptation of the technology without correspnding legislature. Societies just haven't caught up with technology,even well seasoned technologists s…

Way back when pretty much every ISP offered some homepage space with your connections (also email addresses and usually newsgroup access). Loads of people put one up, and it wasn't brimming over with JS, tracking, and calls out to a dozen services. Nope, it was distinctly amateur in feel but you got a wild eclectic mix of pages about hobbies, history and interests. Often hooked to a webring of other sites in the same…

> There's more code out there on github, but that's just one aspect of creation.

1,000 free, open-source blogging platforms on github, but we all just post on Facebook.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by futureshock »

Today I tried to read a few links off HN and hit endless paywalls and ad infestations, all for a paragraph of fluff. I logged onto Facebook and my feed was crowded out with promoted posts and memes. I went on Reddit and the tiny bit of great content was crowded out with memes. I realized this is it. The web has fully lost it's early magic and it will never recover it in this iteration. There are ways you could fix it, but it's too late and all the players are too entrenched for anything to change. The monetization model is broken. This pony is all out of tricks.

We'll need to pioneer the next platform for tech to be exciting and fresh again. Probably VR, possibly AR. I'll see you guys there.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by polynomial »

buboard wrote: post #9
_8j50 wrote: post #5

I can accept some of what is said on this article but from a technical perspective the internet (imho) offers much more opportunities to create and collaborate than any other time in the past. I believe most of the shortcomings and abuse of the internet is a result of mass adoptation of the technology without correspnding legislature. Societies just haven't caught up with technology,even well seasoned technologists s…

> offers much more opportunities to create and collaborate than any other time in the past. We had skype, games, ICQ, MSN, blogs, blog aggregators, rss readers, galleries, audiogalaxy, guestbooks, forums, hotline communications, IRC, video chats, joomla, wikis etc etc in the year 2003. Not much has been added. Video is perhaps the only thing that we didnt have. A big deal but it s not everything. The main change was…

> Not much has been added.

Apart from "smart" phones, which had tremendous repercussions for your otherwise remarkable list.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by thrower123 »

futureshock wrote: post #64

Today I tried to read a few links off HN and hit endless paywalls and ad infestations, all for a paragraph of fluff. I logged onto Facebook and my feed was crowded out with promoted posts and memes. I went on Reddit and the tiny bit of great content was crowded out with memes. I realized this is it. The web has fully lost it's early magic and it will never recover it in this iteration. There are ways you could fix it…

If everybody here would flag the paywall'd junk and not upvote it, it could be a nicer place.

Liberally using the 'hide' button also helps, but only yourself. You kind of need to cull out a third of it. One of these days I'm going to make a custom skin that filters out the worst of the hosts that clog up the front page.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by lotsofpulp »

mc32 wrote: post #53
gonehome wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My default for those kinds of queries now is “ reddit”. Google results are generally poor otherwise. I’m not sure if this is because their algorithms are gamed or if it’s just because the internet outside of the main website hubs is just generally low quality (most high quality content has moved to hubs like reddit).

It’s s sad state of affairs for product search. I do the same (site:reddit) and I’m almost certain most people do too. Google search I guess is good for entertainment search or “buzzy” things like whatever is trending on the trendsetting social networks of the day, but regular search is too spammy and farmed stuff. Often it’s junk.

I don’t think most people do, because if they did, Reddit would also be gamed.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by user5284 »

gerbilly wrote: post #41
rkho wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hi I'm a short-term mentality shareholder and I'm also addicted to money

Hi, I'm an end user who refuses to pay for software. Why should I when all the tools I need are online for free?

Hi, I'm a Alexa paying end user and I'm surveilled anyway. I've paid for my smatrtv and I'm being aurveilled. I've paid for cable and they told me there where be less ass and more quality shows. Well I'm maybe wrong but people not paying are looking smarter than me

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by inimino »

stuart78 wrote: post #38

I think of this issue in a much more mundane way all the time. When looking for product reviews, for example, the top results are, in my experience, unusable. A search for espresso machine reviews returns SEO driven results, and even the more genuine-looking results (sorry BusinessInsider, but I don't need your input) seem to exclusively list products which the site manager can get a referral link for. I don't mind t…

> golden age of espresso machine reviews

Probably when the first search result was a hobby page maintained by an espresso machine enthusiast. Those days ended early, but I remember the pre-commercial Web and it was a very different place.

Re: The Internet of creation disappeared. Now we have surveillance and control

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Post by TheSpiceIsLife »

gniv wrote: post #61
stuart78 wrote: post #38

I think of this issue in a much more mundane way all the time. When looking for product reviews, for example, the top results are, in my experience, unusable. A search for espresso machine reviews returns SEO driven results, and even the more genuine-looking results (sorry BusinessInsider, but I don't need your input) seem to exclusively list products which the site manager can get a referral link for. I don't mind t…

"Business" idea: A search engine that searches just user comments and reviews (on HN, Reddit, Amazon, Google Maps, etc etc).

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