To me men (not all 100%, the majority) are stoic: few garments, the necessary. How many of you are the opposite to this? My GF is a machine of buying clothes. Her friends too. I don't see my friends buying that much each month. When I go to a shopping center the majority of stores are women oriented, the entire fashion industry is run for them to ludicrous levels.
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#102Ecologically speaking maybe Steve Jobs/Star Trek respectively were onto something. A high quality minimal personal style that involves orders of magnitude less garment churn and waste with the added benefit of just not having to spend time on what to wear each day (insert pithy Jobs quote). But seriously if I was to explore finding a personal style that I could wear as my day to day work/life “uniform”, where to look…
Men already had that in the past, the suit. Up until the first war clothing was expensive to make so generally men had only one or two suits and they would wear them every day, and repair them as they wore down. Shirts were, to an extent, a step above underwear. Men would spice up the same suit every day with different ties, pocket handkerchiefs, and other small accessories, all of which were generally more affordabl…
I don't like suits. They're not very practical and can be quite unconfortable. The best piece of clothing I had was a modern Bundeswehr moleskin field shirt.
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#103Earlier quoted context omitted.
Men already had that in the past, the suit. Up until the first war clothing was expensive to make so generally men had only one or two suits and they would wear them every day, and repair them as they wore down. Shirts were, to an extent, a step above underwear. Men would spice up the same suit every day with different ties, pocket handkerchiefs, and other small accessories, all of which were generally more affordabl…
I hate suits. Where's the equivalent for my pants/shirt/sweater combo?
Jeans, t shirt and hoodie
Re: Fashion industry emits more carbon than flights and maritime shipping combined
#104To me men (not all 100%, the majority) are stoic: few garments, the necessary. How many of you are the opposite to this? My GF is a machine of buying clothes. Her friends too. I don't see my friends buying that much each month. When I go to a shopping center the majority of stores are women oriented, the entire fashion industry is run for them to ludicrous levels.
You don't speak for all men, and especially not all women.
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#105To me men (not all 100%, the majority) are stoic: few garments, the necessary. How many of you are the opposite to this? My GF is a machine of buying clothes. Her friends too. I don't see my friends buying that much each month. When I go to a shopping center the majority of stores are women oriented, the entire fashion industry is run for them to ludicrous levels.
You don't speak for all men, and especially not all women.
I didn't claim all men are stoic. I said "to me".
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#106Ecologically speaking maybe Steve Jobs/Star Trek respectively were onto something. A high quality minimal personal style that involves orders of magnitude less garment churn and waste with the added benefit of just not having to spend time on what to wear each day (insert pithy Jobs quote). But seriously if I was to explore finding a personal style that I could wear as my day to day work/life “uniform”, where to look…
Men already had that in the past, the suit. Up until the first war clothing was expensive to make so generally men had only one or two suits and they would wear them every day, and repair them as they wore down. Shirts were, to an extent, a step above underwear. Men would spice up the same suit every day with different ties, pocket handkerchiefs, and other small accessories, all of which were generally more affordabl…
> Want to be green and look great? Drop the Patagonia fleece...
That Patagonia “fleece” would feel nicer, function better, and last longer if it were actually made out of a fleece and not out of plastic. I can’t really understand how that happened.
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#107Earlier quoted context omitted.
Well, for one, that would vastly reduce economic growth. But aside from that, there’s not many things that fit X in the scheme of things you purchase frequently. Packaging / containers of consumed items is a big one. Fashion might be but probably not. The example I hear a lot for some reason is power tools. Yeah it would be great to share power tools because you only need them once or twice... but you only buy them o…
I think that treating fast fashion as a driver of economic growth is an example of the broken window fallacy. That is to say that I don't actually think it drives economic growth overall. It may do within a specific sector at the expense of others.
Fast fashion is bad. But I think the broken window fallacy is poorly matched to modern times. It’s useful to demonstrate why war is bad even if it boosts our GDP, but there’s so much nuance to things like repairs, obsolescence, globalism, switching costs, etc.
If something is bad for economic growth, whose growth matters? Ecological arguments are perhaps one of the better things to consider because at the end of the day it may kill everyone. shrug
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#108First I was shamed for driving a car, then flying, now wearing clothes. Fine, I'm a terrible person. I'm going to stop trying now. sarcasm
Not clothes, artificial clothes. From TFA: "Many of those fibers are polyester, a plastic found in an estimated 60% of garments. Producing polyester releases two to three times more carbon emissions than cotton, and polyester does not break down in the ocean." I'm not sure if it is more the consumers or the producers driving it, but it's almost impossible now to find actual 100% cotton clothing., at least in the US.…
Article shames cotton also.
"It takes about 700 gallons of water to produce one cotton shirt. That's enough water for one person to drink at least eight cups per day for three-and-a-half years."
My grief with the article is it hypes things and doesn't give very good context. It feels like it is cherry picking the worst examples.
Research is already being done to grow cotton using less water. This is the sort of solution that works.
100% cotton is difficult to find and finding good quality 100% cotton shirts is even more difficult. For Jeans, the original Levi's 501 blues is 100% cotton denim, many of the new styles are blends.
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#109We really need a better industry around re-use of essentially everything. Let's say I need some X. Last week I bought a base layer because it's getting cold here. I can order, or buy in a store, a brand new X trivially. I don't actually need a brand new X. A used X would do me just fine. But the difficulty in doing so is ridiculous in comparison. Cottage industry eBay stuff (that you have to order online) vs. an enti…
>But the difficulty in doing so is ridiculous in comparison Buying a used base layer on eBay is not ridiculously difficult as compared to buying a new one from other online retailers. Amazon is certainly easier but compared to going to an online store like REI, I'd say it is comparable. Are you saying that the brick and mortar stores? REI I believe has used gear in their brick and mortar store, the selection is proba…
Buying used clothes online quickly runs headfirst into decision fatigue, incomplete information, and a lack of good filtering.
Walk into an REI and there might be five or ten choices, all probably pretty good, and you can try them on right there and read reviews and specs and information about the materials.
On eBay there are probably (I'm guessing) millions of nondescript black base layers in any number of condition, with an enormous range of fits for the same "size", fabric of unknown type & performance, total lack of reviews, etc.
It's an interesting sort of problem. There's surely countless garments that would suit you fine for a tiny amount of money, but finding them in the ocean of garments that would not is a miserable chore.
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#110Ecologically speaking maybe Steve Jobs/Star Trek respectively were onto something. A high quality minimal personal style that involves orders of magnitude less garment churn and waste with the added benefit of just not having to spend time on what to wear each day (insert pithy Jobs quote). But seriously if I was to explore finding a personal style that I could wear as my day to day work/life “uniform”, where to look…
Depends what you can wear and like to wear. The staples are a good pair of raw denim jeans, two pairs of contrasting chino pants and a mixture of tops to layer with these (wool jumper, crew top). Footware is up to you but if you want to be ecologically friendly I'd say get one pair of leather boots to last you 20 years +. Good brands are red wing and redback for starters. If you want sneakers don't wear big brands (nike, adidas etc) and buy something ethical. Try and get leather or something durable over that mesh crap which falls apart. It all depends on weather as well. Some or all of this advice is useless if you live in Northern Canada for example.