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Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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DRM punishes paying customers and does nothing to stop piracy. It reminds me of those "you wouldn't kill" segments at the start of DVD's that you couldn't skip, but just moaned at you to not pirate the DVD. But the only people they were telling this to was paying customers who bought the DVD. People who pirated the DVD, just plugged it into their computer, ripped out the content then published.

Sure, but why? Do the rightsholders believe that these mechanisms are effective at making them money somehow? How correct are they - are these mechanisms effective at stopping some amount of casual piracy and converting that into purchases?

How correct are they - are these mechanisms effective at stopping some amount of casual piracy and converting that into purchases?

Yes. Contrary to popular opinion among the geek crowd who tend to be very hostile to DRM, the people using it are not in fact completely ignorant and stupid. I write this as someone who used to believe similar things myself in my younger days, but who has now seen both sides of the coin and has moderated some of those views in light of that experience.

One thing that a lot of people don't seem to realise is that piracy often isn't about the price, but rather the convenience. If it's easier to find a ripped copy of something online, for example because it's not available in a certain region from legal sources, then people who want that content will go looking and they'll find the illegal sources. If it is available from legal sources, then to some extent DRM doesn't have to stop someone from being able to find a pirate copy, it just has to make it more inconvenient than finding a legitimate one. Given that any pirate content found online comes with a certain degree of risk, from malicious payloads pretending to be something else, poor quality or incomplete content that frustrates the person who gets it, and in some cases from honey traps that can result in legal action, this isn't entirely unrealistic.

One specific but very important instance of this, briefly mentioned already elsewhere in this discussion, is that if DRM can delay the widespread availability of some popular new work via pirate channels for a few weeks or even just a few days, that can make a huge difference to profitability. There have been AAA games where the DRM has been cracked but not for several months, and that might have saved the developers and legitimate distributors many millions of dollars.

At the other end of the spectrum, there is lots of content that is going to be many orders of magnitude less profitable even with a good run, simply because it's aimed at relatively small markets: niche music genres, software for running some specific type of shop or leisure facility, a documentary programme about an obscure interest, and so on. There is much less desire from the kinds of people who would be able to crack substantial DRM schemes to spend time on these things, so even simple measures can be quite effective in preventing that content from being trivially findable online, thus preserving the limited market for these kinds of products.

And finally, there is the simple but still relevant issue that some people genuinely don't realise piracy isn't legal or that what they're doing is piracy. "If it's on the Internet, it's free, right?" Even the most basic DRM schemes mean people probably have to do something that is clearly not the intended way of getting hold of the content, and that itself can be a useful deterrent for the "unwillfully ignorant" crowd.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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DRM punishes paying customers and does nothing to stop piracy. It reminds me of those "you wouldn't kill" segments at the start of DVD's that you couldn't skip, but just moaned at you to not pirate the DVD. But the only people they were telling this to was paying customers who bought the DVD. People who pirated the DVD, just plugged it into their computer, ripped out the content then published.

> DRM punishes paying customers and does nothing to stop piracy. I would think DRM stops trivial tools like a Chrome extension that adds a "Download" button on anything you're watching on Netflix.com. Which is good enough. Because piracy is confusing to most people. Piracy sites are scummy and require tech-savyness just to navigate them and download the right thing. For example, my girlfriend knows "The Pirate Bay" b…

You are right to some extent. Which is good for the copyrighted works but it is also sad. People, with all this beautiful technology are uncapable to understand or use it. Everything today goes down to "simplify usage even if you remove some features as people wont be able to use it".

I still remember days when I was kid, smuggling c64 under car seat into Slovenia (former Yugoslavian republic). All the sofware was sold on flee markets by known pirats. No internet, no manual. But still we were more than capable to grasp software usage, learn to develop in basic, even asm (after getting some book from Austria, german and translated line by line with help of dictionary - I was 12).

It comes down that resourcefullness is coming from lack of something. But today everything is available and no one tries to be resourceful. Probably the decadent part of human evolution.

Anyway, piratebay is part of known torrent scene, but there is also less known part, at least to the public: https://wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Private_trackers#Wh...

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Niche or not “Disney won’t sell me content I want to buy” seems like a tough position for Disney to argue past. This was the argument back in the days when movies wouldn’t be released in many countries as the market is too small. What do you expect potential customers to do? Should they buy new computers? Not watch Disney stuff? I think I would expect the latter, but if they aren’t Disney’s customer then them piratin…

> Niche or not “Disney won’t sell me content I want to buy” seems like a tough position for Disney to argue past. I feel that is such an entitled attitude. Watching Disney+ is hardly some inalienable human right nor essential for survival. Why would anyone think their right to use a service, and cosume content, overrides Disneys well-established ownership?

> Watching Disney+ is hardly some inalienable human right nor essential for survival.

Neither are never-expiring copyright laws, and there's no reason someone in a country that doesn't abide by them should have to honor them.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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AmazonPrime video does not delivers HD content in Linux... I tried everything switching browsers, changing User agent, wine, running virtual box. I seems some type of DRM is not implemented yet in Linux. Netflix is the same I think. I happily pirate content now.

You can get 1080p streams from Netflix on Linux (for 99% of their collection) by switching your user agent to ChromeOS. Their check is just: a = /CrOS/.test(a.userAgent); this.Fma = this.Aw = q.Gu.PV; this.Qm = [x.$l.nV]; this.oo = [x.V.vA, x.V.wA]; a && this.oo.push(x.V.TH); It very much is _not_ "DRM not yet implemented". Both Prime and Netflix are fully capable of streaming their highest quality under Linux - if y…

That's one reason I use it. If they switch to nazi DRM I'll drop them. If Disney won't play on Linux meh whatever then on them. I'm sure they won't miss me, and I won't miss them much either.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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It's pretty simple: They pay a hot shot company to try and stop piracy and thats the best they can come up with. Piracy can't be stopped but thats not what they want to hear. Piracy can be greatly reduced by distributing the content via Netflix but thats not what they want to hear.

> Piracy can't be stopped but thats not what they want to hear. It can be stopped. All they have to do is destroy the computing and internet freedom we all enjoy today. Can't do subversive things like copy a file if they don't let us run our software. Governments around the world are also trying to erode these same freedoms by pushing encryption regulation.

It seems to me that the approach Netflix and Disney et al are taking is accomplishing just that.

DRM in the browser was step one. No Widevine, or whatever crapware is needed, no Netflix. Next came the limit on higher resolutions. You want Full HD? Stop using a free operating system. You want 4k? Get Internet Explorer, or better yet, get our app on one of the approved operating systems.

The next step is probably to diminish the browser experience even further until enough users have switched to the 'app'. The only reason is control.

It won't drive us away from a personal computer running whatever modern OS we want, but it is slowly creating a majority of people for whom computing exclusively means a managed device with a pre-approved operating system running vetted proprietary applications.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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> DRM punishes paying customers and does nothing to stop piracy. I would think DRM stops trivial tools like a Chrome extension that adds a "Download" button on anything you're watching on Netflix.com. Which is good enough. Because piracy is confusing to most people. Piracy sites are scummy and require tech-savyness just to navigate them and download the right thing. For example, my girlfriend knows "The Pirate Bay" b…

You don't need a torrent client to watch movies on piratebay.

You don't?

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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People outside the United States have to suffer through all that for access to a subset of the full Netflix library. And Netflix is one of the better companies in that regard. Most of them simply tell me the content is "not available in my country". And when people ask them why, they have the gall to blame "piracy".

Ironicallly I think this is why the privacy 'war' can never be won by these corporations. I live in a small European country where even if you subscribe to Netflix, Amazon (which isn't officially available here), cable TV, and whatever else you can find, you still won't get a lot of new movies and shows that you may want to watch. The only way you can get them is by pirating them, so that's what people do. The proble…

Yep, I couldn't agree more. I've tried subscribing to Amazon Prime purely for the shows/movies (not like we have next day shipping or something), and I couldn't find a single movie/show that's not geolocked. Not even their originals.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Pirates cracked Widevine (and possibly other schemes). They have a drop-in replacement DLL (which they keep secret) that dumps the original content of the stream ( not a screen / HDMI capture, like the other two comments said). This is called a WEB-DL, while capturing and encoding the stream is usually called a WEBrip.

This doesn't work for Widevine L1, as L1 is handled in hardware. Windows has some interface to the Intel Management Engine used for this, Android OEMs write drivers and ship devices with keys, other platforms are out of luck.

Widevine L1 has been cracked. Pirates gain code execution in the ARM TrustZone¹ and peek into the decryption keys of the widevine module. That's how 4k WEB-DL Netflix content gets pirated.

¹ For example: http://bits-please.blogspot.com/2016/04/exploring-qualcomms-...

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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It's been decades and literally everyone in multiple industries is still refusing to admit they're throwing money after a lost cause? I won't say that's impossible, but the entire idea behind capitalism is that this happens rarely. Eventually someone will realize they can make more profit by not paying for anti-piracy, right?

Baen Books[0] and Tor[1] don't use DRM. [0] https://www.baen.com/t-drm [1] https://www.tor.com/2013/04/29/tor-books-uk-drm-free-one-yea...

Baen Books is one publisher who gets it, and makes a profit doing so.

Some of their back-catalogue is available for free on-line, such as David Weber's Empire from the Ashes. Complete trilogy:

http://www.baencd.freedoors.org/Books/Empire%20From%20the%20...

(hard sci-fi)

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