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Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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> Disney+ OTOH seems to have the drm features kranked up to maximum draconian settings

Is this likely for legal reasons then? Maybe Disney doesn't want OS's outside of the main consumer audience to have the ability to stream. Linux could be feared for capturing streaming data and scraping sites. It's a lot more customizable of an OS.

Sort of like when Sony dropped Yellow Dog Linux on PS3.

What other non Linux devices are having this problem?

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Everyone here freaking out about DRM and how they think they're entitled to free pirate it if Disney don't offer the format they want. While I'm just looking at all my TV's that support casting from my phone by default. Who even watches movies on their computer anyway. Your TV will support it natively if not right away just buy a Chromecast or Roku and be done with it. There are worse things to freak out about.

> Who even watches movies on their computer anyway.

I do for example. I don't own a TV, my beamer is directly connected to my PC. Just because your use case is covered doesn't mean everyones is.

> Your TV will support it natively if not right away just buy a Chromecast or Roku and be done with it.

"If it doesn't work for you, just buy new hardware." - I'd call that entitled. I prefer to just don't subscribe to a service forcing me to buy additional hardware due to customer unfriendly DRM.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty simple: They pay a hot shot company to try and stop piracy and thats the best they can come up with. Piracy can't be stopped but thats not what they want to hear. Piracy can be greatly reduced by distributing the content via Netflix but thats not what they want to hear.

> Piracy can't be stopped but thats not what they want to hear. It can be stopped. All they have to do is destroy the computing and internet freedom we all enjoy today. Can't do subversive things like copy a file if they don't let us run our software. Governments around the world are also trying to erode these same freedoms by pushing encryption regulation.

> All they have to do is destroy the computing and internet freedom we all enjoy today.

That's one of those "good luck" scenarios. Building your own homebrew computer, or your own OS is a hobby for many. If you push the people behind them, and make a market for them, you'll make them popular.

The internet itself is complex, but not so complex that determined actors cannot build their own mesh networks.

And whilst governments are trying to erode encryption everywhere, it won't work in the end. They may be able to take secure encryption out of the hands of civilians, maybe. But they can't take it from the pirates.

And as for the incoming "no one would be that determined" argument, cracking chips to let consoles play pirated games have existed for a long time, and the average person did actually seek them out... And found them everywhere. If you make people build the infrastructure... They will.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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The highest security level involves hardware keys. You'd have to get a hardware device that supports it and extract the keys somehow

So what hardware device is it interacting with when it is able to run properly on windows and mac? Is there a reason Linux couldn't interact with this hardware in the same way?

Maybe SGX? SGX requires kernel support, which Linux currently lacks.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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> desktop Linux and many Android devices only support level 1. In this case e.g. Netflix will not offer full HD or 4k resolutions And yet 4K webrips of recent Netflix shows are readily available on torrent sites. I don't understand who these higher levels of DRM are trying to target. They obviously don't stop the serious pirates from ripping and sharing the content with everyone. Yet the lower levels are "good enough…

I imagine you'd see a lot more casual piracy if it were trivial to copy, i.e., people just sending the videos to their friends.

Pirating is already casual. But situation is much worse.

I can have russian voiceover from 4-5 studios on the next day after popular TV series aired. They even go this far, as to put full time commercials of not so legal online casino web sites. I dont even need to torrent, to watch any tv show next day after air. There is android apps that will allow to watch any show via http or torrent. There is pirate websites with payed and free access. And as I said earlier fulltime commercials of online casinos, that sponsor pirate translations.

This situation is very bad for any commercial tv show services in ex USSR territory. No low regional prices can battle 0 price.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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post #240

Everyone here freaking out about DRM and how they think they're entitled to free pirate it if Disney don't offer the format they want. While I'm just looking at all my TV's that support casting from my phone by default. Who even watches movies on their computer anyway. Your TV will support it natively if not right away just buy a Chromecast or Roku and be done with it. There are worse things to freak out about.

I have an HTPC. It works very well. Any other solution would involve compromises that aren't acceptable to me.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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>Widevine has 3 security levels and many devices, including desktop Linux and many Android devices only support level 1. In this case e.g. Netflix will not offer full HD or 4k resolutions, but otherwise everything works fine, which is a balance between DRM and usability. This reminds me of my very short foray into streaming services. I purchased a month of Netflix, or rather I got their 1 month trial, and opened the…

People outside the United States have to suffer through all that for access to a subset of the full Netflix library. And Netflix is one of the better companies in that regard. Most of them simply tell me the content is "not available in my country". And when people ask them why, they have the gall to blame "piracy".

Ironicallly I think this is why the privacy 'war' can never be won by these corporations. I live in a small European country where even if you subscribe to Netflix, Amazon (which isn't officially available here), cable TV, and whatever else you can find, you still won't get a lot of new movies and shows that you may want to watch. The only way you can get them is by pirating them, so that's what people do.

The problem is piracy isnt geo-blocked, so if someone here pirates a movie and shares it, it's also available to someone in the US.

I'm not sure why they keep pushing these technical restrictions, when really the issue is they don't allow people to buy their content in the first place.

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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> desktop Linux and many Android devices only support level 1. In this case e.g. Netflix will not offer full HD or 4k resolutions And yet 4K webrips of recent Netflix shows are readily available on torrent sites. I don't understand who these higher levels of DRM are trying to target. They obviously don't stop the serious pirates from ripping and sharing the content with everyone. Yet the lower levels are "good enough…

It's all about (pretending to be) protecting intellectual property. After all, a large part of media companies' assets are intangible IP. To make sure the value of that asset is not eroded, companies such as Disney must invest in technologies that claim help protect it.

(Edit: to be more precise, they must invest in tech that maximizes the extraction of (future) value from that IP).

Re: Disney+ streaming uses draconian DRM

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Oh come on, “Disney won’t stream their stuff to my niche OS” is not a reason to get their stuff without paying. You can wait for a DVD, you can scrounge a used device that will run their DRM, or you can decide you hate all DRM and boycott their stuff until the unlikely event they offer a copyable version. Lots of people work hard making this shit, and they have bills to pay, these things don’t just spring fully-forme…

Oh. I was going to start my previous message with "I personally don't plan to watch any of their programs", but it would deny me the joy of reading your comment, full of virtue and moral superiority. Thank you.

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