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Google chief: I'd disclose smart speakers before guests enter my home

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Re: Google chief: I'd disclose smart speakers before guests enter my home

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That doesn't answer the question: why does that require internet access?

How else did you expect it to message him? Or let him turn it off remotely? Sure, could put a SIM in it and do an SMS that way, but then you have to pay for service for your thermostat, rather than just using the WIFI you already have.

Couldn’t it just have a lcd display with a scrolling alert message? Maybe even a red light that turns on to draw attention.

Re: Google chief: I'd disclose smart speakers before guests enter my home

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« I don't get this position: my (Android) phone can already record my voice, so how does having a Google Home materially increase the privacy risk? » Indeed. Maybe people don't realize that a smartphone is a much bigger privacy risk. A phone can literally record audio and video, track your position, monitor all your online activity, and upload all that without you even noticing it, even when the screen is off and loc…

The privacy risk is not the same and the convenience to mitigate is not there I can leave my phone at home when I go out. In another room. Shut it off. I do all of these things quite regularly. Do I go around and disable numerous smarthome gadgets for privacy or stick with my oh so terrible life without them? Bonus! I can avoid awkward conversations with my guests. People buy products because we feel they help us be…

Given how outdated most Android phones are, they are substantially more of a security risk than a Nest (of some sort), Alexa, or Apple smart speaker. With Google your facing someone substantially fucking up, a search warrant, or compromised account. A random compromised Android phone, just about anything or anyone and the only giveaway is going to be the battery draining faster than expected.

Re: Google chief: I'd disclose smart speakers before guests enter my home

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I was a huge Google Fan but this is becoming lunacy. I understood trading some data and privacy for great search results, maps and free quality email. But people willingly bringing always on listening devices in to their homes (beyond what smartphones are already capable of) I just can't comprehend it. Why would people voluntarily do this in exchange for being able to ask for weather, play a playlist, add a todo and…

I couldn't agree more. Are there any good open-source projects for AI assistants? There certainly seems to be a need.

Mycroft is the biggest that I know of: https://mycroft.ai/

Re: Google chief: I'd disclose smart speakers before guests enter my home

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post #488

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« I don't get this position: my (Android) phone can already record my voice, so how does having a Google Home materially increase the privacy risk? » Indeed. Maybe people don't realize that a smartphone is a much bigger privacy risk. A phone can literally record audio and video, track your position, monitor all your online activity, and upload all that without you even noticing it, even when the screen is off and loc…

The privacy risk is not the same and the convenience to mitigate is not there I can leave my phone at home when I go out. In another room. Shut it off. I do all of these things quite regularly. Do I go around and disable numerous smarthome gadgets for privacy or stick with my oh so terrible life without them? Bonus! I can avoid awkward conversations with my guests. People buy products because we feel they help us be…

How are you sure you can turn it off? Are you removing the batteries?

I don't understand how the risk is anything but greater with a phone.

Re: Google chief: I'd disclose smart speakers before guests enter my home

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post #115

I was a huge Google Fan but this is becoming lunacy. I understood trading some data and privacy for great search results, maps and free quality email. But people willingly bringing always on listening devices in to their homes (beyond what smartphones are already capable of) I just can't comprehend it. Why would people voluntarily do this in exchange for being able to ask for weather, play a playlist, add a todo and…

> beyond what smartphones are already capable of What do you mean by this? What exactly is it that you believe smart speakers capable of that smartphones are not? (Modern smartphones are just as capable of listening for and responding to hotwords as smart speakers are, fyi.)

People are afraid of dying in a terrorist attack but aren't afraid of driving their car around town. Even though the odds of them dying in a car accident are much greater than dying in a terrorist attack.

I think the same thinking allows people to overlook their phones while focusing on their smart speakers.

Re: Google chief: I'd disclose smart speakers before guests enter my home

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post #115

I was a huge Google Fan but this is becoming lunacy. I understood trading some data and privacy for great search results, maps and free quality email. But people willingly bringing always on listening devices in to their homes (beyond what smartphones are already capable of) I just can't comprehend it. Why would people voluntarily do this in exchange for being able to ask for weather, play a playlist, add a todo and…

> I guess I value my privacy more than others and don't like the idea of entities compiling a record of my data that they can sell and market.

Because big tech/advertising companies don't sell your individual data. They sell to other entities the ability to show people like you specific content. I wouldn't use products monetized in the first way, but I'm happy with the latter approach.

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What does having a Nest thermostat get you? I'm a tech dude, I build modern software, but I live in a dumb, old fashioned house. My programmable Honeywell thermostat, which has no internet connection, does a perfectly fine job of keeping my home the right temperature. My door locks use a key, and keys have great battery life, and my smoke detectors beep instead of speaking to me. What am I missing by not having inter…

I loved my Nest thermostat when I first bought it. I could change the set point with my phone without getting out of bed, or set the house to the right temperature before I got home. It would automatically go into energy-saving mode if nobody was home. I could track my long-term energy usage with an app on my phone. That was all very nice, but then Nest blew it. They kept forcing firmware updates to the thermostat th…

I got a dumb but wifi Sensi thermostat, glad i did

Re: Google chief: I'd disclose smart speakers before guests enter my home

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post #74

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Is Apple the only big tech that’s using AI on device in a privacy protecting way? I appreciate their approach to user functionality that doesn’t dump all my data into a near infinite number of collectors. I also think it’s a neat way of distributed computing to use the cpus of all these phones sleeping at night to crunch stuff is actually cheaper than cloud. I think because the phones are sunk cost that is idle a few…

Believe it or not, Google is the leader in the space of privacy-centric AI - see Federated Learning.

I don't buy the fact that "Ferderated Learning" is privacy centric so much as it is liability and/or privacy-marketing centric. I feel that in the long run we will discover that using "ML" as a black box to smuggle user data off device won't hold up to scrutiny.

Re: Google chief: I'd disclose smart speakers before guests enter my home

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post #507

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I loved my Nest thermostat when I first bought it. I could change the set point with my phone without getting out of bed, or set the house to the right temperature before I got home. It would automatically go into energy-saving mode if nobody was home. I could track my long-term energy usage with an app on my phone. That was all very nice, but then Nest blew it. They kept forcing firmware updates to the thermostat th…

I got a dumb but wifi Sensi thermostat, glad i did

I replaced my Nest with a Sensi once Google took over. In doing so, I extensively researched the available options searching for an acceptable one that could be used without a cloud server somewhere, but those just don’t exist in any decent-looking package. Choosing the Sensi was a compromise on settling for a company not likely to go out of business or discontinue the device within the near future and whose core business doesn’t conflict with keeping any data private.

Re: Google chief: I'd disclose smart speakers before guests enter my home

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All "big tech" are at it, I tried to go to "My Pictures" the other day and microsoft asked me to run my pictures through facial recognition. They said that by consenting I was asserting I had the consent of anyone who appeared in any of my photos or might appear in future which is insane to ask of anyone, no-one can really give that third party consent. Then when I refused they showed me a nag screen which didn't hav…

Google has implemented this asshole design/nagware in many products to push unnecessary to me and invasive data collection or functionality I want won’t be available. For example, their maps app on iOS won’t save locations for me unless I sign in an enable web history tracking. I get prompted every time I try to save a pin as well as every once in a while I’m case I change my mind. It’s a free app and it’s Google’s p…

The weirdest thing to me is that the data is still there and is still accessible. Google Maps won't remember my "Home" and "Work" locations, but when the device is in airplane mode, it will show the GPS coordinates of both (although they were "forgotten" several devices ago, and this phone has no way of knowing about them)
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