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Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

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If only there was an alternative to the Apple app store like F-Droid is for Google Play...

Actually, F-Droid is not panacea. F-Droid apps do not have access to Push notifications. Coupled with crippled background app performance in recent Android version, it extremely limits certain classes of apps, especially all messengers.

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

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post #388

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No thanks. If I'm donating to a good cause, I don't want the App Mafia taking a 30% cut. That just reinforces this bad behavior.

It's sort of a convenience fee. I agree with your App Mafia take but my guess is folks that can't be troubled to use F-Droid probably weren't going to donate in the first place. For instance, D-Sub is available for free on F-Droid but costs something like ~$4 on Google Play. AndOTP is available on F-Droid, not sure about Wireguard but I'd assume so.

> For instance, D-Sub is available for free on F-Droid but costs something like ~$4 on Google Play.

This is great solution to sustain the app developmant and spread the word about F-Droid!

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

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post #340

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> Disallowing developers from using in-app billing for donations, while also barring them from linking to external donation platforms, puts open source projects in a difficult position, and appears to be overly hostile towards funding open source development. Google Play has been very clear about this[1]: > Fund solicitations > Examples: Donation solicitations from parties without a valid 501(c)(3) tax exempt status…

Sure, but why ? If the rules clearly said "no chess games", one could say "that ends the discussion of why chess games are denied", or you could further ask "but why are no chess games allowed?". Is it because Google plans on having their own Google-Chess someday and thus is preemptively preventing competition? Is there a technical or regulatory reason chess games aren't allowed? That's the question (at least for me)…

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Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

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post #361

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It appears only non-profit organizations are allowed to use Google Play In-app Billing for donations, which is fine. But why are we forbidden from linking to an external page that lists other ways to support a project, such as Patreon? I think we should stop being apologetic, and begin to call out Google for the damage they are inflicting upon open source developers.

> If only non-profit organizations are allowed to use Google Play In-app Billing for donations Nobody is allowed to use Google Play's in-app billing for donations, and only organizations with a valid tax exempt status can link to an external page that lists donation options.

What do you do if you aren't based in the US? Are you able to gain a tax-exempt status or do that only applies to US orgs?

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

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Apple's cut is a hell of a lot more than 2.9% + $0.30.

Never said it wasn't? Just pointing out how silly this stance is.

Balking at the difference between 30% and 3% is just as silly to you as balking at the difference between 3% and 0%?

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

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> Disallowing developers from using in-app billing for donations, while also barring them from linking to external donation platforms, puts open source projects in a difficult position, and appears to be overly hostile towards funding open source development. Google Play has been very clear about this[1]: > Fund solicitations > Examples: Donation solicitations from parties without a valid 501(c)(3) tax exempt status…

Sure, but why ? If the rules clearly said "no chess games", one could say "that ends the discussion of why chess games are denied", or you could further ask "but why are no chess games allowed?". Is it because Google plans on having their own Google-Chess someday and thus is preemptively preventing competition? Is there a technical or regulatory reason chess games aren't allowed? That's the question (at least for me)…

Their house, their rules.

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

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post #441

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I don't follow this line of reasoning at all. By all accounts, Microsoft should have been broken up. They were convicted of abusing their monopoly position in a court of law. It was a travesty of justice that it was not carried out. Had this happened, the new companies would have been vastly more competitive, and the current state of computing might have been much better.

It's hazardous at best to assume the state of something with so much variables. As for continuing being GAFA advocate (while still thinking they should be compelled to open up "Stores" to competition), vertical integration provides enough economy of scale to achieve ever greater complex things. Also, 1) you can't just "break-up" any GAFA. They're just gonna move out of State and be welcomed somewhere else, and 2) wha…

You're right, you can't just create competition out of thin air. The competition already existed at that time. Part of the abuse of their monopoly position was to use the dominance of Windows to also capture other markets, including the Office market, Web browsers, etc. We would have had a far healthier ecosystem if the monopoly had been broken up. Look at where Lotus SmartSuite, Corel Office, StarOffice, and all the rest are today. They were not able to compete commercially in a market distorted by a monopolist, and today are shadows of their former selves.

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

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post #448

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Oh do come off it. This is bureaucratic bullshit at its' finest. We're talking about a hyperlink in the app. Linking to wireguard.com would be fine. How about if wireguard.com had a big donate button? How about if wireguard.com has 'Donate' in bold? I know you're not the person actually signing off on this - but to the one that is - fuck you. In bold. No-one is getting sued because of one step being removed in a hype…

It's not a lawsuit that people are afraid of. It's potential action from financial regulators, who are famously inflexible and disinterested in being nice to open source software developers in genuine financial need. Parties like Google and Apple are well aware of the potential consequences, and thus are similarly inflexible and disinterested in being nice to a fairly small group of use-cases that exposes them to an…

Really? Because Chrome allows me to navigate to all manner of sketchy sites- should Google be dropping Chrome? I mean, it's about as specious of reasoning as claiming that financial regulators will go after Google over donation buttons in apps. At that point, the whole thing is so far removed that it feels like being worried over getting struck by lightning. Heck, Chrome will even autofill a saved card into a donation page for me. Does Google need to follow KYC for every Chrome user and every page they visit?

Sure, maybe the argument can be made, but come on. We all know this is so that Google can get their nice 30% cut, and cut off any alternate funding sources for Android apps. Otherwise, shady developers will just require a "donation" instead of a purchase. That is behavior that Google would be reasonable to police, but to claim that action from financial regulators is what's causing this is just silly.

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

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Google Play In-app Billing does not support donations [1], so open source developers should be allowed to link to their own donation pages. Google Play policies do not spell out that linking to donation platforms such as Patreon is forbidden. Disallowing developers from using in-app billing for donations, while also barring them from linking to external donation platforms, puts open source projects in a difficult pos…

> Disallowing developers from using in-app billing for donations, while also barring them from linking to external donation platforms, puts open source projects in a difficult position, and appears to be overly hostile towards funding open source development. Google Play has been very clear about this[1]: > Fund solicitations > Examples: Donation solicitations from parties without a valid 501(c)(3) tax exempt status…

What you quote seems to be the Google Payments policy, not the Google Play policy:

"Any individual or business processing transactions with Google payments must adhere to these policies."

These apps weren't using Google payments, and it is suspected that they were taken down for not using Google's payment systems (despite not being allowed to).

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