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Magic Mushrooms Can Help Smokers Kick the Habit

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Post by koolba »

yboris wrote: post #159
koolba wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It’s very hard to fight the war on drugs (from a personal liberty standpoint) one drug at a time. I think it’s really easy to have a different stance based upon the actual drug. I have no issues with marijuana and at no point in my life have feared of being robbed by someone trying to score money for a joint. But change that to heroin or meth and it’s a whole different situation.

There is no legal justification for criminalizing the use of any substance. We can put people in jail for armed robbery, why should a non-violent drug user be put in jail?

It’s deterrent. All else being equal people will do less of an act if there’s a consequence.

Why does it even have to be armed? Why not jail petty theft that furthers a drug habit?

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Post by cheez »

JonAtkinson wrote: post #14

I used another psychedelic (DMT) to self treat my alcoholism. While it is early days still, I am almost 600 days sober. The drug allowed to me introspect and access my mind in a way which was previously blocked. From the perspective it unlocked, it was easy to see the harm I was doing to myself and others. It changed my life.

I've got a habit I'm trying to break as well and I pondered using drugs. But I don't do drugs otherwise. How do you go about finding DMT?

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Post by anon192831 »

carapace wrote: post #164

Set and setting. The drug just rattles your cage. I quoted Leary on 'set and setting' the other day on an LSD history thread and mentioned Leonard Orr used to get great results with nothing more exotic than oxygen, so rather than repeat that ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21264919 ) I'll say this: If you have a modality of therapy that works, it will work without the drug (which, at best, serves as an amplifi…

It's not just hitting the vacuum tube. If one just trips for the sake of tripping, then there is not much to be gained except for several hours of happy serotonin hits in the brain.

However, what we know about psychs is that there is a huge release of BDNF (brain derived neurotrophic factor) and a shutdown of the DMN.

The BDNF enables a ton of new neural connections to be built. It's like you have about 6-8 hours of a period where your brain plasticity goes back to that of an infant, just absorbing everything. So in this accelerated learning state, it's possible to work through one's emotions.

So it makes sense to prepare for several weeks to receive therapy and to outline goals and memories to revisit to process them during this heightened period. Then when the drug wears off, you're still left with the new neural connectivity and perspectives and the other benefits that were derived from the session.

Rather than hitting the vacuum tube, this is more like re-running the radio scanner in your car to find radio stations when you've moved over to a new city and the old radio stations are now out of range while one isn't tuned to the current set of radio stations.

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Post by Fnoord »

My own (anecdotal) experience with magic mushrooms underlines this. When I used magic mushrooms I was still a smoker. While on magic mushrooms, I felt much less need to smoke, and when I did it tasted less good. FWIW, artificial sweetened candy also tasted horrible. Also, Zyban (Bupropion) had a similar effect on me regarding smoking cessation aid.

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Post by yspeak »

imperio59 wrote: post #173

This is like saying "I had a problem with a small chimney fire so I poured ten gallons of gasoline on it and now I don't have a chimney or a fire problem anymore because everything burned down" Seriously no. This is not science. Hallucinogenic drugs also make people psychotic on occasion. Please don't take them, you'll be better off. Take the word of someone who's worked with recovering acid addicts. This shit ruins…

I've seen the same while working in a psychiatric unit. Hallucigenic drugs can trigger psychosis that lasts your lifetime. It's a horrible thing to watch. One reason I'll never use LSD or shrooms despite the claims they are harmless and non-addictive. Shameful to use the playful sounding "Magic* in the headline.

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Post by taurath »

carapace wrote: post #164

Set and setting. The drug just rattles your cage. I quoted Leary on 'set and setting' the other day on an LSD history thread and mentioned Leonard Orr used to get great results with nothing more exotic than oxygen, so rather than repeat that ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21264919 ) I'll say this: If you have a modality of therapy that works, it will work without the drug (which, at best, serves as an amplifi…

> I'm not against drugs per se I'm just against using them in therapy. It's irresponsible.

I think it’s appropriate to try something else when you’ve tried therapy, support groups, etc. Sometimes the best thing one needs especially when they’ve been focused on changing their mind and habits for a long while is something to open up all the calcified pathways.

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Post by Noos »

This is the same fundamental dishonesty that pushed for marijuana legalization: the idea that there are "medicinal uses" and the drug should be legalized based on those, pushed by advocates of casual use. Medical use as a trojan horse for recreational/casual.

I don't really think using a seriously psychoactive substance for smoking is good at all; it is something that can be done by other means which involve much less risk or even personality change

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Post by [deleted] »

carapace wrote: post #164

Set and setting. The drug just rattles your cage. I quoted Leary on 'set and setting' the other day on an LSD history thread and mentioned Leonard Orr used to get great results with nothing more exotic than oxygen, so rather than repeat that ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21264919 ) I'll say this: If you have a modality of therapy that works, it will work without the drug (which, at best, serves as an amplifi…

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Post by cc81 »

anon192831 wrote: post #183
carapace wrote: post #164

Set and setting. The drug just rattles your cage. I quoted Leary on 'set and setting' the other day on an LSD history thread and mentioned Leonard Orr used to get great results with nothing more exotic than oxygen, so rather than repeat that ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21264919 ) I'll say this: If you have a modality of therapy that works, it will work without the drug (which, at best, serves as an amplifi…

It's not just hitting the vacuum tube. If one just trips for the sake of tripping, then there is not much to be gained except for several hours of happy serotonin hits in the brain. However, what we know about psychs is that there is a huge release of BDNF (brain derived neurotrophic factor) and a shutdown of the DMN. The BDNF enables a ton of new neural connections to be built. It's like you have about 6-8 hours of…

>If one just trips for the sake of tripping, then there is not much to be gained except for several hours of happy serotonin hits in the brain.

Which is perfectly ok and probably preferable for most who waste trips by thinking that you must think deep and just get uncomfortable.

And while obviously there are results where people make large changes my own experience about those people is that a lot of insights are like New Years Eves resolutions said when drunk and happy; the change or insight goes away when a short time has passed.

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Post by dwaltrip »

carapace wrote: post #164

Set and setting. The drug just rattles your cage. I quoted Leary on 'set and setting' the other day on an LSD history thread and mentioned Leonard Orr used to get great results with nothing more exotic than oxygen, so rather than repeat that ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=21264919 ) I'll say this: If you have a modality of therapy that works, it will work without the drug (which, at best, serves as an amplifi…

That's a lot of words without much analysis. Can you please explain precisely how these studies are bad science?
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