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Magic Mushrooms Can Help Smokers Kick the Habit

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Re: Magic Mushrooms Can Help Smokers Kick the Habit

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I can attest to that. In my early tweens i was in a severely depressive state and would be actively rejecting psychotherapy and just keep going further down the spiral - it all changed after a one or two experiences with magic mushrooms. Despite not using them in a clinical, supervised environment, or in conjunction with therapy, the experience actually had me somehow understand where my depressions came from and hel…

>the experience actually had me somehow understand where my depressions came from While I realize that it is an entirely personal matter, I can't help but ask if you can perhaps share some of your insights?

It's really quite hard to explain as anybody who's had psychedelic experiences will probably tell you - but for me it was something like this:

A major reason for my depressions where my fathers early death, which i hadn't really processed up to that point. In my first ever trip, some hours in i fell into a state where all that sadness and regret just overpowered my conscience, quite literally myself. Yet at the same time i was calmly observing myself, and i was able to reflect quite deeply onto my emotional state, ironically all whilst beeing utterly unable to control it.

This "loss of ego", i could maybe describe it as an "out of body experience" made it incredibly obvious to me how to put my regular emotional state into context and understanding how rejecting the process of grief and feeding my fears of loss had created the state i was living in.

Afterwards all those things that had an unshakeable grip on me started to become understandable in a way you'd understand ANOTHER person going through this, reasoning wasn't clouded anymore from my affection. I think that was the tipping point

Re: Magic Mushrooms Can Help Smokers Kick the Habit

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post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the experience actually had me somehow understand where my depressions came from While I realize that it is an entirely personal matter, I can't help but ask if you can perhaps share some of your insights?

It's really quite hard to explain as anybody who's had psychedelic experiences will probably tell you - but for me it was something like this: A major reason for my depressions where my fathers early death, which i hadn't really processed up to that point. In my first ever trip, some hours in i fell into a state where all that sadness and regret just overpowered my conscience, quite literally myself. Yet at the same…

Tldr; it quite literally "killed my ego" for a short time and allowed for an unclouded view onto what was going on with me. And that way of reflecting my emotional state stayed with me ever since

Re: Magic Mushrooms Can Help Smokers Kick the Habit

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Currently quitting nicotine, planning to go back to pipe smoking only when I'm "reset". It's hugely psychological. I don't have the shakes or anything, but I'm drowsy, unalert, and feel slow. I can definitely understand how a shroom trip would "reset" my brain to a non-needy state.

Why are you planning to go back to pipe smoking?

Because it's very non-habit forming, and has a positive effect on my mental well-being, as well as having been correlated to longer life.

I formed a vaping habit during a stressful period at work, which is much more nicotine (a pipe gives you the amount of nicotine as about a quarter of a cigarette, delivered over about a half hour), and I plan to go back to my occasional enjoyment of a pipe at home, refraining from using vaping as a coping mechanism.

Re: Magic Mushrooms Can Help Smokers Kick the Habit

#156
post #100

To anyone curious, this was studied at a small scale with promising results across several psychedelics. Most notably lsd and mdma (in addition to mushrooms and dmt). I can't seem to locate links to studies at the moment, but I'd suggest reading How to change your mind by Michael Pollan if you're interested in this stuff.

I went to a talk last week by Robin carhart-harris who does deep research in this area. The talk itself was pretty complicated but he was saying (I think!) that they believe these drugs cause the brain to go into a state where it becomes more susceptible to change. The same thing happens under extreme stress / trauma. The context of the experience itself then determines how that’s encoded. It’s like it opens the brain up to change.

Re: Magic Mushrooms Can Help Smokers Kick the Habit

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's really quite hard to explain as anybody who's had psychedelic experiences will probably tell you - but for me it was something like this: A major reason for my depressions where my fathers early death, which i hadn't really processed up to that point. In my first ever trip, some hours in i fell into a state where all that sadness and regret just overpowered my conscience, quite literally myself. Yet at the same…

Tldr; it quite literally "killed my ego" for a short time and allowed for an unclouded view onto what was going on with me. And that way of reflecting my emotional state stayed with me ever since

A lot of the people using them mention killing the ego, I've never done anything like that and wonder what do you think under the word ego? I know the literal term obviously.

Re: Magic Mushrooms Can Help Smokers Kick the Habit

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post #20

I think it’s clear that there is a push for magic mushrooms to follow the same path as Cannabis has. It’s very hard to fight the war on drugs (from a personal liberty standpoint) one drug at a time. From my political position it’s personally insulting that institutions such as the DEA and FDA tell me what I can and cannot put into my body. I’m an adult, I can either make those decisions for myself or hire experts for…

I think legalization is good. I also think universal healthcare is good. Unfortunately healthcare is super expensive and enabling certain behaviors increases costs a lot. Different estimates seem to suggest that (back in 2015) the opioid epidemic had had an economic cost somewhere between a half a trillion and a trillion dollars, and it's increasing [0, 1]. Full-on prohibition is bad, but maybe there's still lots of…

The best thing I've ever read on the subject of decriminalization:

Legalize This!: The Case for Decriminalizing Drugs by Doug Husak

The argument is simple and comes from the legal perspective: every person who is put in jail should have a satisfactory answer to the question "Why am I being put in jail?". As the author (philosopher) points out, no satisfactory answer has been (or likely can be) given in the case of non-violent drug users.

All currently-known drugs should be decriminalized.

Re: Magic Mushrooms Can Help Smokers Kick the Habit

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post #20

I think it’s clear that there is a push for magic mushrooms to follow the same path as Cannabis has. It’s very hard to fight the war on drugs (from a personal liberty standpoint) one drug at a time. From my political position it’s personally insulting that institutions such as the DEA and FDA tell me what I can and cannot put into my body. I’m an adult, I can either make those decisions for myself or hire experts for…

> It’s very hard to fight the war on drugs (from a personal liberty standpoint) one drug at a time. I think it’s really easy to have a different stance based upon the actual drug. I have no issues with marijuana and at no point in my life have feared of being robbed by someone trying to score money for a joint. But change that to heroin or meth and it’s a whole different situation.

There is no legal justification for criminalizing the use of any substance. We can put people in jail for armed robbery, why should a non-violent drug user be put in jail?

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post #9

Awesome. So the last two years I have asked people if they know anyone with shrooms, I really wanted to quit dipping (Copenhagen tobacco), been dipping for 15 years, and heard this really works. No one I knew had any leads, not really shocked by that. But I quit dipping anyways, about 6 months ago. Moral of the story: sometimes your friends don't have illegal drugs and you have to suck it up and do right things the h…

Can you not go and pick them where you are? I thought liberty caps were pretty widespread over Europe

As the other commenters have said, this is insanely dangerous if you don't know what you're doing.

This is always a good read, it's what happens if you do this wrong: https://blog.mycology.cornell.edu/2006/11/22/i-survived-the-...

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