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Amazon’s Consumer Business Turned Off Final Oracle Database

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Post by arpinum »

tootie wrote: post #37

I wonder if anyone here has seen any net new adoption of Oracle DBs in the last few years? It was an absolute juggernaut 10-15 years ago and has rapidly tanked their reputation and spread their business across software, services and cloud with mixed results. Is it actually still growing or just milking their stodgy enterprise customers for more money?

One area of growth - Accidental Oracle customers. Oracle makes software acquisitions and bases the new version of the product on Oracle DB. Customers are forced to upgrade and take on an Oracle DB, or get a firm push into the Oracle cloud.

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Post by jon-wood »

philliphaydon wrote: post #403
jnaina wrote: post #363

Here's the key difference between Oracle and AWS: - Oracle will schedule periodic audits on their customers and legally threaten them for inadvertent licensing oversights - AWS makes it a mandatory policy that all their sales folks periodically sit with their customers to help optimise and reduce their ongoing AWS Cloud costs If you are making a case that Oracle == AWS, you don't know what you are talking about. Yes,…

> AWS makes it a mandatory policy that all their sales folks periodically sit with their customers to help optimise and reduce their ongoing AWS Cloud costs Their KPIs are to reduce costs for customers but also to increase usage of AWS services to make more money. The KPIs seem to contradict each other.

I've been in some of these meetings, and strangely the KPIs don't actually contradict themselves. Most of the recommendations we were given were around switching workload from one way of running things to a service which would be a better fit, and because we'd be using it as intended ended up being cheaper than the original implementation.

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Post by dkersten »

gopalv wrote: post #200
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #172

Amazon is a slightly annoying company that I rarely root for, but Oracle is a predatory company whose customer relations strategy seems to actively involve litigating them as a default assumption. Amazon is considered a paragon of IT, so their expulsion of Oracle is a useful tool at the CIO/CTO level of "nobody ever got fired for IBM" level of reasoning. Unfortunately, AWS is becoming the new IBM in that reasoning. G…

> Amazon is a slightly annoying company that I rarely root for, but Oracle is a predatory company Amazon and Oracle couldn't be more different in this point of view. Amazon's predatory instincts are pointed inwards and downwards, towards employees and vendors, while being mostly great towards the customer. Everything from their warehouse workers with timers, the crying software engineers and all other things I hear a…

> while being mostly great towards the customer.

I know you only said "mostly", but I find their product comingling to be very bad for the consumer and products in general on Amazon.com seem to be a lot worse now. If we're specifically talking about AWS, I'm not anti-AWS and do use them, but lets be honest here: they are very expensive, especially for bandwidth, and their pricing models are definitely not consumer friendly. I find it very hard to determine ahead of time how much my bill will be.

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Post by shard972 »

philwelch wrote: post #381
freehunter wrote: post #326

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's the same way with my company. In the rare situation I see my employer mentioned on HN, I can't even bother reading the comment. It's all so overwhelmingly negative. Not just on the management, but on the employees as well. HN's perception of the company who signs my paychecks is so wildly different from my own perspective as an employee there that I have a hard time believing anyone on HN who talks about a negat…

HN isn’t even bad as far as Internet forums go, but the longer you work in the field, the more and more obvious it becomes that Internet forums are generally full of shit.

Or maybe internet companies are full of shit.

People can rationalize a whole lot when it's their lifeblood.

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Post by irrational »

alexis_fr wrote: post #300
michannne wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Using SQL Server exclusively has given me a Never-Oracle mindset. Some of these differences sound insane. and > any functions in the order by clause must be moved to the select statement (e.g. order by lower(column_name)) I'd pull the hair outta my head

My top 1 is this one: > Oracle: uses IS NULL to check for empty string; in postgres, empty string and null are different Any programmer who doesn’t distinguish NULL and "" has not passed the 2-year experience. Being generous. How did this make it to production?

Do you mean why does Oracle treat NULL and empty string as the same thing? Internally Oracle changes empty string to NULL values. Oracle won't let you insert an empty string.

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Post by dangus »

a_imho wrote: post #408
whack wrote: post #282

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> Amazon's predatory instincts are pointed inwards and downwards, towards employees and vendors... the crying software engineers and all other things I hear about them are about running an internally facing extraction economy... The squeeze is being put on those who draw a paycheck (or at least, a profit) from Amazon I know 10+ software engineers at Amazon, including people in their early 30s making close to half-a-m…

I know 10+ software engineers at Amazon, including people in their early 30s making close to half-a-million in yearly income What do these people do?

Right? “Well the C-levels think the company is great! No problems here!”

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Post by joncrane »

rrdharan wrote: post #374
scarejunba wrote: post #333

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fully MySQL/PostgreSQL-compatible DBMS with automatic failover across AZs so you get upgrades all the time, fully managed, without ever having downtime. It's really good. Access management can be through IAM. Like, Google Cloud SQL has 5 minutes of planned downtime every month by design, in comparison, or something.

I don’t believe this is accurate - Aurora has maintenance windows: https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AmazonRDS/latest/AuroraUserGuide...

Maintenance windows + Multi-AZ means that the nodes in different AZs are patched at different times, resulting in zero downtime of the app.

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Post by joncrane »

philliphaydon wrote: post #403
jnaina wrote: post #363

Here's the key difference between Oracle and AWS: - Oracle will schedule periodic audits on their customers and legally threaten them for inadvertent licensing oversights - AWS makes it a mandatory policy that all their sales folks periodically sit with their customers to help optimise and reduce their ongoing AWS Cloud costs If you are making a case that Oracle == AWS, you don't know what you are talking about. Yes,…

> AWS makes it a mandatory policy that all their sales folks periodically sit with their customers to help optimise and reduce their ongoing AWS Cloud costs Their KPIs are to reduce costs for customers but also to increase usage of AWS services to make more money. The KPIs seem to contradict each other.

The goal is to grow with the customer. AWS doesn't mind having a smaller piece of the pie because the pie is growing.

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Post by hamilyon2 »

irrational wrote: post #265
hamilyon2 wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you develop and debug triggers?

I'm not sure what you mean. Triggers are developed and debugged in Postgres the same as in Oracle.

I am curious, what tools do you use?

No secret, that with oracle you have few full-blown IDEs where you can literally step by step execute triggers, write unit tests for them etc.

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Post by joncrane »

beachy wrote: post #315
tootie wrote: post #37

I wonder if anyone here has seen any net new adoption of Oracle DBs in the last few years? It was an absolute juggernaut 10-15 years ago and has rapidly tanked their reputation and spread their business across software, services and cloud with mixed results. Is it actually still growing or just milking their stodgy enterprise customers for more money?

We started a new SaaS company last year. We use Java + Oracle from the get go. Last company was very reliant on Oracle, we ran the entire business on a single Oracle instance for a couple of decades. We had our share of adventures, but over the years never lost a minute's worth of data despite server, hard drive and other issues. We've also had a few scary performance problems, but have always been able to tune the D…

>No one ever got fired for using Oracle.

Yet.

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