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Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

F-Droid already exists.

Yes but none of my friends and family who own an Android device know about it. I'm talking about a mainstream alternative android store. The design of f-droid is not appealing enough.

> I'm talking about a mainstream alternative android store. The design of f-droid is not appealing enough.

Make it mainstream. Spread the word. Install it on family devices.

How else you think mainstream will happen?

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

#22

$50 sent, thanks Jason, no thanks Google. A small amount relative to the value that you're giving to the world, but hopefully a few pints won't go amiss. Fuck gatekeepers.

I too made a "fuck Google" donation to the WireGuard project today, after seeing an update and then the app disappearing entirely.

I'd love to use the F-Droid version but it's not up-to-date, and isn't published by Jason, so it's not signed by him either.

Publishing it on the website with a built in update-check might be one solution I'd be happy with, it'd only need a text file hosted on the website and a check, perhaps each time WG is activated to see if there is an update. Modern Android versions can be toggled to allow installing software from external sources, so the app could "install itself".

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

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post #18
post #8

It's unfortunate that the developer resubmitted the app without the donation link, open source projects having a donation link in their apps does not violate Google Play policies. > Here are some examples of products not currently supported by Google Play In-app Billing: > One time-payments, including peer-to-peer payments, online auctions, and donations. https://play.google.com/about/monetization-ads/

It indeed is unfortunate. But what other recourse did we have? The first objective, before we even consider donations or anything, is to make our software available and functional to our users. So we had to resubmit. And it's not like the resubmission process is instantaneous; as of writing, the app still isn't back in the store. But anyway, now what? Let's say things return to normal, but we still want to put the si…

Donations are not supported by in-app purchases, and I'm sure this doesn't mean open source apps are not allowed to sustain themselves by showing a donation link. Or if that is Google's unwritten policy, people must make their voices heard, this abusive behavior cannot be accepted.

I would resubmit the app with the donation link and continue to document and share what happened. Please do not allow them to set a precedent with a popular project like WireGuard.

It's important to share every detail of the issue, the messages you received, your replies, and the policy links you were given about the alleged policy violations.

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

#24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>(for the time being) Why do you have that caveat ? You can use f-droid forever.

Because I prefer sticking to APKs signed by the author of the app. F-Droid APKs are signed with different keys, typically.

I agree with your sentiment in theory. Unfortunately, in practice, Google Play Store rips off my signature after I upload and sticks their own one on instead. Blah.

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

#25
post #5

For anyone else publishing mobile apps: Neither Apple nor Google allow bypassing the store's purchase system by linking to external donation pages. No matter the app type, it will result in rejection.

The same app has the same link on its iOS app and just in the last week was updated twice.

It is however forbidden. Just because they didn't get caught does not mean anything.

Spamming users with notifications is also against the rules and everybody does it anyways.

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

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post #18
post #8

It's unfortunate that the developer resubmitted the app without the donation link, open source projects having a donation link in their apps does not violate Google Play policies. > Here are some examples of products not currently supported by Google Play In-app Billing: > One time-payments, including peer-to-peer payments, online auctions, and donations. https://play.google.com/about/monetization-ads/

It indeed is unfortunate. But what other recourse did we have? The first objective, before we even consider donations or anything, is to make our software available and functional to our users. So we had to resubmit. And it's not like the resubmission process is instantaneous; as of writing, the app still isn't back in the store. But anyway, now what? Let's say things return to normal, but we still want to put the si…

It's amusing - I feel it's almost like causing a media "storm" is part of the whole "AI powered" process they've got going on. Create Reddit/Hackernews/tech blog outrage and maybe a human might step in and reverse the decision.

You can look at r/videos and see how many examples there are, the link in [1] provides quite a few...

So hey, go get people to repost across social media, maybe get a nice trendy hashtag going like #freewireguard and maybe their "AI" (or PR department) might actually do something useful.

Because to me, I've noticed more and more companies only reverse decisions or backpeddle once there's enough shit flying at them (See Blizzard recently, for example).

[1]: https://old.reddit.com/r/videos/search?q=flair%3AYouTube%2BD...

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

#27
This is really unfortunate. If Google is ready to arm twist a popular project like Wireguard, smaller indie open source apps stand little to no chance than to bend over. This App store gatekeeping should be illegal. Selling the hardware/OS and marketplace by the same person is more like online dictatorship at this time.

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

#28
post #5

For anyone else publishing mobile apps: Neither Apple nor Google allow bypassing the store's purchase system by linking to external donation pages. No matter the app type, it will result in rejection.

that plus app store monopoly on each platform should mean several billion dollars in fines, if we actually enforced antitrust laws

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

#29

This is really unfortunate. If Google is ready to arm twist a popular project like Wireguard, smaller indie open source apps stand little to no chance than to bend over. This App store gatekeeping should be illegal. Selling the hardware/OS and marketplace by the same person is more like online dictatorship at this time.

Honestly. I'm fine as long as sideloading 3rd party shops is not actively sabotaged. I tend to search stuff on fdroid first and Play store later, and that's something I just can't do on iOS.

Re: Open-source apps removed from Google Play Store due to donation links

#30
post #5

For anyone else publishing mobile apps: Neither Apple nor Google allow bypassing the store's purchase system by linking to external donation pages. No matter the app type, it will result in rejection.

Google Play In-app Billing does not support donations.

> Here are some examples of products not currently supported by Google Play In-app Billing:

> One time-payments, including peer-to-peer payments, online auctions, and donations.

https://play.google.com/about/monetization-ads/

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