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Re: Marc Benioff: We Need a New Capitalism

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Post by repolfx » Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 10:18 AM UTC

jadell wrote: post #103

weberc2 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all well and good to understand why this is, but if the answer is "because, on average, women prefer a different distribution of work", then we should let that be. There's this creepy urge to pressure women to share exactly the same preference distributions as men. This restriction of women's choice for the sake of some neat gender parity is antithetical to human rights and equal opportunity.

> It's all well and good to understand why this is, but if the answer is "because, on average, women prefer a different distribution of work", then we should let that be. I haven't seen any research showing one way or the other why this is. Have any links to share? Edit: As a side question, if they really prefer a different distribution of work, why do we as a society punish them for it by valuing that work less than…

Have you ever looked? There's lots of research out there and the scientific consensus is that biological differences drive different selection of jobs.

If you think skewed gender ratios are a computing-specific phenomenon, look here:

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/03/06/chart-the-perce...

Almost every profession has a skew one way or another. The professions with the most women are at the top. Look at them and ask yourself if they're high earning: preschool and kindergarten teachers at 97.5% female is first, with, oddly, speech language pathologists being the second most female-dominated job. Then there's dental hygienists, secretaries, more childcare workers, nurses, more dental related positions, medical assistant, hairdresser, etc.

At the bottom you have the usual suspects with brickerlayers, electrical line workers, etc, anything heavy and dangerous being dominated by men.

Is it really a total mystery why childcare jobs are >90% female and crane/tower operators are >99% men?

Re: Marc Benioff: We Need a New Capitalism

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Post by belorn » Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 12:50 PM UTC

jadell wrote: post #103

weberc2 wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's all well and good to understand why this is, but if the answer is "because, on average, women prefer a different distribution of work", then we should let that be. There's this creepy urge to pressure women to share exactly the same preference distributions as men. This restriction of women's choice for the sake of some neat gender parity is antithetical to human rights and equal opportunity.

> It's all well and good to understand why this is, but if the answer is "because, on average, women prefer a different distribution of work", then we should let that be. I haven't seen any research showing one way or the other why this is. Have any links to share? Edit: As a side question, if they really prefer a different distribution of work, why do we as a society punish them for it by valuing that work less than…

As a side answer, why do we as a society punish men who take low paying jobs but not women? Why is high income only correlated for men with reproductive success, health and social support, but not for women?

When given a choice between safer work, more meaningful work and higher income, why does more men pick higher income? Why do more men prioritize getting an income above studying in their early 20s compared to women?

Lets conduct an experiment with two groups where we punish members of Group A if they don't choose a high income job and keep Group B as control. What should we expect about the relative income between the two from a initial round of just choosing a profession? Next, lets introduce negotiation where the employee balance job security, job satisfaction and wages, and the employer balance the cost of supplying those needs with their own need to retain the employee. Should we expect a different outcome between Group A and Group B? In the last step of the experiment, what would we need to change in order to get equal outcome for Group A and Group B?

Re: Marc Benioff: We Need a New Capitalism

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Post by dang » Tue, Oct 15, 2019, 9:22 PM UTC

virgil_disgr4ce wrote: post #33

jasonlfunk wrote: post #16

Sure it would be great for business leaders to change their ways, but the beauty of capitalism is that consumers can force businesses to change by their actions. Mark Zuckerberg could change Facebook overnight, but what incentive does he have? It’s still one of the most populous websites in the world. It’s easy to blame to rich and wealthy for the problems but they cannot force us to give them money. Every time I buy…

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