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$100k/year still might not be enough to buy a home

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Re: $100k/year still might not be enough to buy a home

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I am 34 years old working remotely as data scientist, making $107k TC. My wife who I've been married to for 13 years is a stay-at-home mother as we have two children in grade school. Since they are in the school she is turning in our half-acre into a sustainable garden with chickens. We own our home, are financially comfortable while saving $1500 a month, and travel. We were planning a 2-month trip to Japan this upco…

To add another couple data points:

I am substantially younger, make exactly 100k/yr live within commuting distance of a grossly overpriced city full of people I want nothing to do with (read: expensive urban area known for tech and medicine) and made 90k/yr when I bought my house. I live in an city, not a nearly rural suburb, but it's not a rich city (thank god) but it has everything I need. I'm paying a few hundred dollars a month on debt, have a similarly sized discretionary budget, am maxing out my 401k and slowly building savings. The schools aren't great but they aren't bad, not my problem yet anyway.

My buddy who is a teacher makes substantially less and has approximately the same situation but in a different slightly wealthier city and has a slightly smaller house.

The DB administrator at my last job who was in his late 20s and made about 100k had the same situation in yet a different city.

100k is not a crazy number in this area. If you are in a blue collar trade you can make 100k by putting in your years to get licensed (BS gate keeping requirements make it impossible to get licenses/certs in most trades in this state without working several years) you can commute into that rich overpriced city that shall remain nameless and make 100k.

The house across the block from me is on the market for ~200k. 150k on up seems to be the going rate for a turnkey single family house around here depending on size and condition. These aren't crazy prices. They're just not a neighborhood your snooty coworkers will approve of. My house was 150k but needed 20k of siding (screw that, next time I'm taking the week off from work, buying the staging and doing it my damn self for a fraction of the price) on day 1 and has never been updated inside.

If you want to own a home and are willing to work for it you can own a home. You just can't own one in a neighborhood where everyone is richer than you.

>Live below your means, take advantage of where you live, and maintain a simple life. Good things come to those who wait.

Fully agree here. Simple life is key. You can't drive a nice car and go out drinking all the time and all those other things that cost money. You can do a few of them but you've gotta choose.

Re: $100k/year still might not be enough to buy a home

#152
I live in London. I'm not on 100K, however my salary is higher than 90% of the UK's population.If I'd compare our family income,we are better off than 75% of the country's households.These are just the stats. All 3 of us live in a one bedroom,rented flat in a decent area. We wouldn't even get a mortgage for the flat we live in (£300K)...The neighbors bought a house next door for £1M. Only pensioners and businessmen own properties on my street,the rest are renting. So realistically,unless I start making 50% more than I do now, there's no way this will ever change. I guess I should start looking at those remote Salesforce jobs in Bay area...

Re: $100k/year still might not be enough to buy a home

#153
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And then just work for that company forever? What's the end-game?

Work for yourself eventually?

All of these options people are presenting are not realistic for most workers. Contracting, starting your own company, and working at the same place for the rest of your life are generally not advisable (Or even doable!).

Re: $100k/year still might not be enough to buy a home

#154

There's very few places where there is an overlap of "jobs that pay $100k" and "homes that can be afforded at $100k salary".

Austin and Chicago definitely fit in that overlap. On top of that, when you compare SF to say, Cleveland, sure the median salary in SF could be 2x as high, but the median home price is close to 10x as high. NIMBYism is going to absolutely choke the bay area over time, and newer generations of startups, VCs, and accelerators will wise up and broaden their horizons. The frequently parroted argument of "SF has the best…

Or San Antonio. A few less jobs and a little lower pay than Austin but housing is way cheaper.

Re: $100k/year still might not be enough to buy a home

#155

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the sweet spot in terms of arbitrage right now is: find full time employment at a high earning job in a major metro area, move far enough from that metro area to work remote while being able to come into the office a handful of times per month. A three hour commute is easier when you only do it twice a week, or a few times a month.

If you want to be mind-numbingly bored, sure. Despite the cost of living in a city, I (and others who enjoy city life) would much rather pay to enjoy amenities like public transit and being able to walk to a bar.

I actually am thankful for folks who think living outside a major metro area is "mind-numbingly" boring. That means you'll stay in the city with all the other crazy people.

See, these low-effort insults work both ways!

Re: $100k/year still might not be enough to buy a home

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What is the typical american dream and why is there a typical version and an atypical version?

The classic American Dream is: * A stable job (that pays "enough" and isn't too stressful) * Own a home * (optionally) Raise a family * Enjoy weekends free, as well as vacations (and the ability to afford them) At least that is my interpretation. If there are atypical American Dreams, I'm curious what those might include.

100k is about $5900 a month after taxes and modest 401k contribution.

Let's subtract some typical expenses (erring on the more expensive side)

$200 - water + electricity

$100 - high speed internet

$160 - decent wireless plan

$250 - employer subsidized health insurance

$150 - car insurance

$50 - netflix, spotify, hulu

$700 - groceries

$800 - go out to dinner twice a week (or some other activity)

$350 - car payment + gas

$1000 - savings

$1500 - median monthly mortgage payment in the USA.

$200 - home insurance.

That still leaves 400 a month while also managing to save and invest in 401k. Seems like a decent salary and way of life. Not rich by any means, but certainly comfortable.

The median mortgage payment in the USA is about 1500, but let's call it 1800

Re: $100k/year still might not be enough to buy a home

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You certainly don't need to be drowning in student loan debt to reach that. You could go to a state school and get an excellent job. That's just poor financial decision making. Where I live you could go to UVa, VT, or maybe VCU.

You realize that out-of-state tuition for UVA is about $65k a year, right? https://sfs.virginia.edu/cost/19-20

I thought it was implied by "state school" that I meant you should attend a school in your particular state. In-state tuition for UVa is half of that. Additionally it's easy VA to get guaranteed acceptance to a state school after two years of community college.

Re: $100k/year still might not be enough to buy a home

#158
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Even in small towns $500 won’t get you much. A small, old, place in a marginal part of town.

It was walking distance from the local university + local hospital. My sister at the time was studying to be a medical doctor, so she needed to be close to those two spots. There wasn't much else going on in the town aside from the university + hospital.

What kind of "small town" are we talking about? Most "small town"s I think of don't have universities. Maybe a community college for the whole county.

Re: $100k/year still might not be enough to buy a home

#159

$100,000 still a lot of money. You can buy a beer in Vietnam for 20 cents. The problem in the Bay Area, where I live, is we artificially limit the amount of housing. So prices move to infinity.

I would say that is a problem in any place where it is desirable to live these days. Locations I've experienced first hand: London, Sydney, Bay area, Los Angeles, Vancouver... and I'm sure there are many more where you can't buy on that salary.

There are many examples where that's not true: places like the beautiful college town of madison, Houston, Chicago, etc.

High living costs are a self imposed problem: housing regulation and zoning.

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