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Amazon’s Consumer Business Turned Off Final Oracle Database

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Re: Amazon’s Consumer Business Turned Off Final Oracle Database

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Post by y4mi »

vbezhenar wrote: post #143
y4mi wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How? Its an Open source implementation of the java vm which they don't own.

Why do you think that they don't own OpenJDK? Here's snippet from "OpenJDK: How to contribute" page: > Like many other open-source communities, the OpenJDK Community requires Contributors to jointly assign their copyright on contributed code. If you haven't yet signed the Oracle Contributor Agreement (OCA) then please do so, scan it and e-mail the result to oracle-ca_us(at)oracle.com. Please make sure to specify Open…

you're right, vbezhenar... i believe the spirit of my message remains unchanged: openjdk is almost entirely open source (GPLv2 + Classpath Exception).

they cant pull the this licence from already published code, which means that they cant forcefully monetize it anymore. if they tried, someone else would fork it and continue its maintenance.

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Post by simonebrunozzi »

echelon wrote: post #211
ghostbrainalpha wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the first time I have wished Hacker News showed upvotes. They have got to be over 100 with that right?

You can model it. - Get upvote snapshots of all top-level comments' authors in this thread. Take repeated measurements at relatively low time resolution. Also compare this to any other comments they may be making (have a model of the type of comment: follow-ups that are deeply nested probably have a lower upvote velocity) - Find archive.org snapshots of OP as well as the authors of all other upvoted comment threads.…

And of course you could store the results on Postgresql!!

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Post by golergka »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #172

Amazon is a slightly annoying company that I rarely root for, but Oracle is a predatory company whose customer relations strategy seems to actively involve litigating them as a default assumption. Amazon is considered a paragon of IT, so their expulsion of Oracle is a useful tool at the CIO/CTO level of "nobody ever got fired for IBM" level of reasoning. Unfortunately, AWS is becoming the new IBM in that reasoning. G…

Isn't AWS much less prone to customer lock-in? May be I don't have experience with tweaking AWS under heavy high load, but 98% of code I write for backend that I host on Amazon isn't specific to AWS or it's services in any way.

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Post by PeterisP »

godson_drafty wrote: post #8

The developer carrying it out still using 2015 MBP

We currently have two 2018 MBPs on the shelf that were bought as 'upgrades' back then but they're sitting unused because people are sticking with their 2015 MBPs until they won't be maintainable anymore or Apple (or someone else) releases a version that's an improvement over 2015 MBP instead of a downgrade.

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Post by jobu »

LrnByTeach wrote: post #189

Here is the meat of the Report: >We migrated 75 petabytes of internal data stored in nearly 7,500 Oracle databases to multiple AWS database services including Amazon DynamoDB,Aurora, RDS, and Redshift. >We kept careful track of the costs and the performance, and realized the following results: >Cost Reduction – We reduced our database costs by over 60% on top of the heavily discounted rate we negotiated based on our…

> Customers regularly report cost savings of 90% by switching from Oracle to AWS.

How the hell is Oracle still able to charge so much? Earlier this year we were looking to spin up a temporary development instance of Oracle DB for a proof-of-concept project, but the license alone was over $50k. People were already pissed about them adding licensing costs to Java, so this kicked off an effort to start migrating to a modern tech stack.

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Post by remus »

iRobbery wrote: post #241

"This team moved 40 TB of data with just one hour of downtime, and realized the same or better performance at half the cost, powered by Amazon Aurora." Would have loved to have read some technical details on how 40 Tbyte was transferred in an hour, even migrated.

Presumably they didn't go for a 'turn it off, do the transfer, turn it on again' strategy. I'd guess they transferred the bulk of the data beforehand then applied incremental updates until the databases matched then turned off the old db.

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Post by cthalupa »

vkaku wrote: post #43
gerdesj wrote: post #21

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MariaDB - https://mariadb.org/about/

There was also MaxDB, and a few other that Monty built. There's also Percona, WebscaleSQL and a few other forks. Amazon have been using MySQL even before all these forks happened. And not only that, if Oracle decided to pursue a lawsuit, or if MariaDB, Percona, Elasticsearch or EnterpriseDB did, Amazon will have to cough up. This is not really a thing that Amazon should be bragging about, because it makes no real sen…

>Amazon have been using MySQL even before all these forks happened. And not only that, if Oracle decided to pursue a lawsuit, or if MariaDB, Percona, Elasticsearch or EnterpriseDB did, Amazon will have to cough up.

Pursue a lawsuit over... what, exactly?

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Post by rhinoceraptor »

JacKTrocinskI wrote: post #224
AtlasBarfed wrote: post #172

Amazon is a slightly annoying company that I rarely root for, but Oracle is a predatory company whose customer relations strategy seems to actively involve litigating them as a default assumption. Amazon is considered a paragon of IT, so their expulsion of Oracle is a useful tool at the CIO/CTO level of "nobody ever got fired for IBM" level of reasoning. Unfortunately, AWS is becoming the new IBM in that reasoning. G…

How is Oracle predatory? PostgreSQL is great for web developers and small businesses but in terms of support, security, and enterprise features I think Oracle has PostgreSQL beat. I have been an Oracle database developer for the last five years, they have a great database, not sure what all the hate on HN is about.

We hate Oracle because they're a deeply unethical rent-seeking company.

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Post by sofaofthedamned »

dastbe wrote: post #74
QuadrupleA wrote: post #31

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Article mentions that, yeah - cost savings are based on their already heavily discounted deal with Oracle.

I think OP means Amazon’s discount on AWS. Many customers on AWS have contracts that guarantee discounted rates given sufficient volume. People have commented on hn about negotiating them, and you can see some examples from recent IPO filings. Amazon (the non-AWS parts) are yet another customer of AWS, and wherever possible you should expect them to operate like one. They even buy RIs!

Thanks - yes that's exactly what I meant

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Post by jeffbarr »

zentiggr wrote: post #141
mumblemumble wrote: post #12

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It is not. Amazon accomplished the task by building their own Oracle replacement. You have to be approximately as large as Amazon for that to be a realistic option. If you'd like to use the alternatives that Amazon built, you can, of course, migrate to Amazon Web Services. Though, if you dislike the vendor lock-in you're experiencing with Oracle, and are considering Amazon as a good place to flee to, you possibly hav…

Thank you for mentioning the departure fee... That just took AWS off the table for me unless I'm pushed into it by other (paying) parties.

There is no departure fee. As others have pointed out, this is simply data transfer.
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