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Amazon’s Consumer Business Turned Off Final Oracle Database

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Re: Amazon’s Consumer Business Turned Off Final Oracle Database

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Post by remon »

QuadrupleA wrote: post #31
sofaofthedamned wrote: post #30

Hate oracle personally. But when Amazon mention cost savings, I assume they're not at list price for normal aws customers like us?

Article mentions that, yeah - cost savings are based on their already heavily discounted deal with Oracle.

I think OP was asking if Amazon is calculating their savings based on the public AWS service pricing or their own cost for running on those AWS services (there's obviously a good chunk of margin on what it costs to run AWS and what the listed service prices are for those services).

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Post by koolba »

> Financial Ledger – This team moved 120 TB of data, reduced latency by 40%, cut costs by 70%, and cut overhead by the same 70%, all powered by DynamoDB.

Does this mean they have a custom set of books running atop DynamoDB or is this specific to aggregate reporting and financial data warehousing?

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Post by bluejekyll »

onefuncman wrote: post #58
bluejekyll wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When they threaten you with lawsuits for using their software, and make their pricing completely opaque so you don’t really know what you owe (Comcast style), why would you knowingly choose that? Postgres is pretty darn good these days. I still love Java, but I won’t be surprised if that language becomes a business risk because of Oracle’s behavior in other spaces.

You must have missed the Amazon Corretto announcement— there’s an Amazon JDK now.

My guess is that like they did with Google, with time, Oracle will go after all the OpenJDK derivatives.

To be clear the licensing appears to be open enough so that this shouldn’t be a real threat, but IANAL.

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Post by dastbe »

QuadrupleA wrote: post #31
sofaofthedamned wrote: post #30

Hate oracle personally. But when Amazon mention cost savings, I assume they're not at list price for normal aws customers like us?

Article mentions that, yeah - cost savings are based on their already heavily discounted deal with Oracle.

I think OP means Amazon’s discount on AWS.

Many customers on AWS have contracts that guarantee discounted rates given sufficient volume. People have commented on hn about negotiating them, and you can see some examples from recent IPO filings. Amazon (the non-AWS parts) are yet another customer of AWS, and wherever possible you should expect them to operate like one. They even buy RIs!

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Post by y4mi »

binarymax wrote: post #65
tootie wrote: post #37

I wonder if anyone here has seen any net new adoption of Oracle DBs in the last few years? It was an absolute juggernaut 10-15 years ago and has rapidly tanked their reputation and spread their business across software, services and cloud with mixed results. Is it actually still growing or just milking their stodgy enterprise customers for more money?

I’m interested in seeing how much they try to milk Java in the next 10 years. I can see them getting desperate enough to really bring the hammer down on licensing, killing off openjdk, and making life miserable for everyone in the process.

How? Its an Open source implementation of the java vm which they don't own.

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Post by wwarner »

CydeWeys wrote: post #18

Migrating everything to the same externally-available cloud infrastructure is exactly the thing that Google needs to do, but has been failing at for going on a decade now. Yes, I'm bitter about it.

The claim is that some of the data was migrated to publicly available systems. I'm guessing that quite a bit of it is stored in amazon specific systems, for two reasons. First, availability. If the amazon product catalog depends on Aurora, then when Aurora has an issue, so does Amazon retail. Second, custom solutions that were developed before modern alternatives existed have an insurmountable inertia in a big company.

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Post by alienallys »

QuadrupleA wrote: post #31
sofaofthedamned wrote: post #30

Hate oracle personally. But when Amazon mention cost savings, I assume they're not at list price for normal aws customers like us?

Article mentions that, yeah - cost savings are based on their already heavily discounted deal with Oracle.

He was referring to RDS list price.

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Post by brojonat »

kenforthewin wrote: post #55
mattlondon wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it not the case that it is actually the opposite? That GCP is running on the internally-available cloud infrastructure at Google? How would they turn that inside out? What would GCP actually run on if they ran GCP on GCP? Or do you mean run search/gmail/youtube on GCP? Isn't their internal infra basically kubernetes in all but name?

I've heard that Google is bad at dog fooding their own cloud infrastructure and even that Borg is still dominant over Kubernetes in their internal infra but don't have any insider knowledge. If true this is one thing that Amazon is vastly superior than Google at.

Yeah there was a post about that on HN that got a lot of attention a week or two ago. I think that letter/essay was written before google cloud platform was really a thing, would be interesting to know how things have changed since ~2006.
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