I wonder how much of their hacking efforts have yielded information that is 'salted'. Misinformation that will set them back years.
I wonder how salting your own data could set an organisation back. A risky strategy I would say.
Building China's Comac C919 airplane involved a lot of hacking, report says
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Re: Building China's Comac C919 airplane involved a lot of hacking, report says
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I can remember a horror story of Chinese copy of R179 engine https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17677936 Repost: > Funny thing to mention, I think 95% of industrial espionage effort yields zero if not negative benefit. The problem is that you are always stealing a "cat in a bag" For machinery, rarely there is anything like a "secret sauce:" Soon after the fall of USSR, Chinese defence companies flocked to Russia bu…
While I have no specific knowledge on even jet engines, from general engineering principles, who says you cannot have 2 groups of people, one working on your own design, the other working on reverse-engineering / replicating others' works? For critical projects like this, it's not hard to imagine a State Actor throwing at least this much resources (including human resources of course) at this. One benefit I can think…
The first thing that you learn when you go into the aviation industry, is that the shortcut is the longest way to get from A to B.
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By "different principles", you presumably mean totally in the service of an autocratic, hegemonistic nation bent on the brutal oppression its own citizens and its rise to become an unchallengeable global power able to curtail the social, political and human rights of anybody, anywhere on Earth, who it deems an enemy?
These sorts of comments are what make most online discussions about China seem so out of touch. If I told you that most people in China generally support the government and don't feel oppressed by it, how would that affect your worldview? Most people in China are primarily concerned with improving their standard of living. For hundreds of millions of people, that standard has improved more than you can probably imagi…
For fairly obvious reasons, "look the other way at the government's indiscretions in exchange for raising per-capita GDP to ~10k USD" isn't an appealing bargain for anyone in the developed world.
Re: Building China's Comac C919 airplane involved a lot of hacking, report says
#54I wonder how much of their hacking efforts have yielded information that is 'salted'. Misinformation that will set them back years.
I wonder how salting your own data could set an organisation back. A risky strategy I would say.
Not your own data - you know there is a spy, and NSA helps you to isolate him and feed him salted info.
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The situation is a bit more unique with Chinese working/studying abroad. Since most of their families, friends, and relatives are still in China, they can be coerced by the CCP to engage in espionage out of fear of hurting their families.
I'm confused by your main point. Do you mean, as opposed to other foreign workers and students on temporary work/student visas, who can somehow migrate their friends and family over and therefore be subject to less coercion?
No, I was pointing out that China is unique in that they would have no moral qualms in coercing their citizens abroad using violence. I'm sure my coworkers from the EU probably don't ever have to worry about being in a situation where they would have to choose between spying or hurting their family.
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While I have no specific knowledge on even jet engines, from general engineering principles, who says you cannot have 2 groups of people, one working on your own design, the other working on reverse-engineering / replicating others' works? For critical projects like this, it's not hard to imagine a State Actor throwing at least this much resources (including human resources of course) at this. One benefit I can think…
The first thing that you learn when you go into the aviation industry, is that the shortcut is the longest way to get from A to B.
stealing jet engine/materials science data and software data are different kettle of fish.
different kinds of bottlenecks. I’m assuming one set is more easily transferrable than the other.
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The Swiss watchmaking industry was once largely focused on producing cheap copies of English and French watches. Today Swiss watchmakers are renowned for quality and innovation.
And going even farther back, the British industrial revolution was built on producing cheap copies of Indian textiles.
... using machines that british people invented.
get the overall point, but not sure this is a good example.
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#58> In the rare occasions when the hacking team couldn't find a way inside a target, a second MSS JSSD officer would intervene and recruit a Chinese national working for the target company, and use him to plant Sakula on the victim's network, usually via USB drives. I'm not sure how the US is going to deal with things like this given that we have so many Chinese nationals working in most major corporations across so ma…
Moles are not unique to China, it just happens that China currently happens to be the enemy. Most people whether immigrant or not just want to get the work done and go home.
Oh, awesome excuse. Carry on!
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But will China be able to make the next leap on their own? It's one thing to copy but another to come up with the design on the first place.
You shouldn't treat China as a single entity. The question should be whether the Chinese people can come up with the design.
You know, I have nothing against China building things from scratch on their own. I'm sure there are engineers in China who disdain all these espionage efforts and want to do their own original works, but are forced to "make use" of the information.
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#60Unfortunately all Chinese citizens must comply under Chinese law with spying requests whenever their intelligence agencies come asking. That makes every Chinese citizen in your company a potential spy.
This is shitty on so many levels, and what is the appropriate response? Should Chinese citizens have lower access in US companies? At universities? Etc. That would be a terrible outcome.
We do need some kind of clear asylum option for any Chinese citizen who gets pressured into this. But that only goes so far when the state back home can punish your family members etc.