Where did all the money go? If the dancers made hundreds of dollars as independent contractors wouldn't it have been tips from customers? Wouldn't the dancers still get the same amount but now also $15/hour plus benefits?
New rules for contractors have unexpected consequences for strip clubs
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#12"This whole business will be completely ruined. The whole point about being a stripper is you go in, get fast cash, no one knows how you’re getting it, it’s not documented and it’s not taken from you." Sorry not sorry that you have to actually start paying taxes on your income like the rest of us. Some of these quotes are really helping to make the case for the law.
I think the businesses are ruined—they probably legitimately don’t make enough money to pay a living wage and the necessary benefits with their current business model. I don’t see this as a problem in the long term for the strippers—unauditable cash will still rule. And frankly, let’s start with taxing other places, this really doesn’t strike me as a place of conspicuous tax avoidance compared to, say, the board room…
I think tax evasion was the phrase you were looking for. Just about everybody participates in tax avoidance.
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#13Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think the businesses are ruined—they probably legitimately don’t make enough money to pay a living wage and the necessary benefits with their current business model. I don’t see this as a problem in the long term for the strippers—unauditable cash will still rule. And frankly, let’s start with taxing other places, this really doesn’t strike me as a place of conspicuous tax avoidance compared to, say, the board room…
I think tax evasion was the phrase you were looking for. Just about everybody participates in tax avoidance.
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#14"This whole business will be completely ruined. The whole point about being a stripper is you go in, get fast cash, no one knows how you’re getting it, it’s not documented and it’s not taken from you." Sorry not sorry that you have to actually start paying taxes on your income like the rest of us. Some of these quotes are really helping to make the case for the law.
I think the businesses are ruined—they probably legitimately don’t make enough money to pay a living wage and the necessary benefits with their current business model. I don’t see this as a problem in the long term for the strippers—unauditable cash will still rule. And frankly, let’s start with taxing other places, this really doesn’t strike me as a place of conspicuous tax avoidance compared to, say, the board room…
By "current bussiness model", do you mean current prices?
I do not see anything in the bussiness model that precludes raising prices. The issue seems to be that current prices are based on the assumption of tax evasion.
I have nothing against sex work, but it does not strike me as an industry worthy of tax breaks.
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#15Law of unintended consequences, maybe? California did something pretty bold, and only time will tell if it was a good idea or not. Seems like there's a lot of fallout though, so far. Anecdotally, I know a few people whose small businesses were impacted by the change; neither knew it was even an issue until one was sued by a contractor they'd been working with for a few years. I wonder what kind of due diligence the S…
Hard to say. Is there a reason to treat adult industry as any other industry? I can see the wish for higher level of privacy, but beyond that?
Apparently, there are lawsuits that precede the Uber issue:
> However, as a result of the lawsuits and ongoing demands by the suing dancers and their attorneys
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#16"This whole business will be completely ruined. The whole point about being a stripper is you go in, get fast cash, no one knows how you’re getting it, it’s not documented and it’s not taken from you." Sorry not sorry that you have to actually start paying taxes on your income like the rest of us. Some of these quotes are really helping to make the case for the law.
But that doesn’t explain why their comp is fixed at the minimum wage of $15/hr
This article is a year old.
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#17Quotes from Darla: > "This whole business will be completely ruined. The whole point about being a stripper is you go in, get fast cash, no one knows how you’re getting it, it’s not documented and it’s not taken from you" >“Not one of those girls had a check for two weeks over $300. There was a lot of upset. A lot of girls packed up to leave that night. I was one of those girls,” Darla said. 1. Pay your taxes like ev…
I really wonder what is going on here - I think any salary negotiations failed because the dancers are much more fungible than they believed
The clubs set the pay at the base minimum of $15/hr and dancers I talked to said the tipping system has also been upended.
So a lot of dancers left and BSC has a regional monopoly.
I dont really hear any discussion about what happened when asking for a higher salary.
Looks like different women applied and got in.
Maybe talented dancers left but good enough ones replaced them, customers aren’t that discerning even if the prior dancers were more entertaining.
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#18> Some dancers also feared being classified as employees would mean not being able to pick and choose which customers to serve.
> “I think they should control their own sexuality, they should control their own bodies,” he said. “The difference there being, of course, if you’re an employee, you don’t have a choice who you perform for, as an independent contractor you get to choose how you perform, whom you perform for, and what level you’re comfortable at.”
Is a stripper allowed to discriminate on protected characteristics? Can she say that she doesn’t want to strip for Asians, for example? Or will she run afoul of the anti-discrimination laws?
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#19Where did all the money go? If the dancers made hundreds of dollars as independent contractors wouldn't it have been tips from customers? Wouldn't the dancers still get the same amount but now also $15/hour plus benefits?
See the article; the cut which the clubs take, has gone up.
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#20Quotes from Darla: > "This whole business will be completely ruined. The whole point about being a stripper is you go in, get fast cash, no one knows how you’re getting it, it’s not documented and it’s not taken from you" >“Not one of those girls had a check for two weeks over $300. There was a lot of upset. A lot of girls packed up to leave that night. I was one of those girls,” Darla said. 1. Pay your taxes like ev…
I really wonder what is going on here - I think any salary negotiations failed because the dancers are much more fungible than they believed The clubs set the pay at the base minimum of $15/hr and dancers I talked to said the tipping system has also been upended. So a lot of dancers left and BSC has a regional monopoly. I dont really hear any discussion about what happened when asking for a higher salary. Looks like…
The fact that 12/14 strip clubs in the area are owned by one business, suggests that we don't have a completely freely operating labor market, here.