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Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by shams93 »

nkoren wrote: post #190

Meh. I bailed out of the Mac ecosystem last year, as my mid-2012 retina Macbook was finally getting too creaky, and the latest Mac hardware was a regression in many respects, while simultaneously utterly unaffordable. I'm now dual-booting Ubuntu/Windows 10 on a Dell XPS 15". What this experience has taught me is that computing in 2019 basically sucks. The problems with 2000-era Linux, as described in the article, are…

The fixes for meltdown/specter cause some real slowdown of Intel performance, why is my quad core i7 so creaky compared to my old a6 with and, the i7 should smoke an old and a6 but thanks to these hardware bugs the i7 is creaky and slow.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

garethrowlands wrote: post #49
least wrote: post #31

In many cases the things he claims are past linux behavior remains the same today. Perhaps he hasn't used Linux in recent years? > External Monitors Plugging in monitors in linux today frequently does not behave as you expect. The chances of errant behavior is significantly higher on linux than any other operating system. I can't speak to apple computers not working with projectors, but it seems like he's comparing a…

> The outlier in software installation is Windows, where it is still encouraged to install executables downloaded on the internet. Windows is definitely a laggard with respect to package management. But even Windows has choco these days, https://chocolatey.org

I would say Linux is the laggard for still relying on package management.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by erikbye »

llimllib wrote: post #240
nkoren wrote: post #190

Meh. I bailed out of the Mac ecosystem last year, as my mid-2012 retina Macbook was finally getting too creaky, and the latest Mac hardware was a regression in many respects, while simultaneously utterly unaffordable. I'm now dual-booting Ubuntu/Windows 10 on a Dell XPS 15". What this experience has taught me is that computing in 2019 basically sucks. The problems with 2000-era Linux, as described in the article, are…

I was linux-only from 2002 to about 2009, on laptops, when I switched to Mac. I just set up a linux desktop for kicks the last couple of weeks, and it doesn't seem to me to be any better than it was a decade ago. * No way to adjust mouse scroll speed; official answer seems to be "don't want that". (Or install imwheel and change your mouse scroll to be equal to hitting the down button (!) which breaks other stuff) * T…

Many of these complaints are resolved by using another desktop environment, e.g. KDE.

Others of the distro (use another one if you want up-to-date packages).

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by jonwinstanley »

mattigames wrote: post #222
nkoren wrote: post #190

Meh. I bailed out of the Mac ecosystem last year, as my mid-2012 retina Macbook was finally getting too creaky, and the latest Mac hardware was a regression in many respects, while simultaneously utterly unaffordable. I'm now dual-booting Ubuntu/Windows 10 on a Dell XPS 15". What this experience has taught me is that computing in 2019 basically sucks. The problems with 2000-era Linux, as described in the article, are…

Opinions are a funny thing, I find MacOs vastly inferior to Windows, but I grew up with Windows so I'm biased that way; I'm betting you and people claiming 'the good old days of mac' are biased too.

I grew up using Windows and after 20 years switched to Mac and could not believe I had waited for so long.

What parts of Windows do you prefer over MacOS?

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by skrebbel »

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #164
skrebbel wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 5. If you resort to calling groups of people "condescending elitist hipster latte drinkers" then pretty sure you've lost the argument. As a condescending elitist hipster latte drinker on an ultralight convertible Lenovo Yoga + Windows 10, I feel excluded. The days that condescending elitist hipster latte drinkers only used Mac have long passed.

With respect, you post wasn't very condescending.

Actually, it's all there. You're just too daft to see it.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by erikbye »

nkoren wrote: post #190

Meh. I bailed out of the Mac ecosystem last year, as my mid-2012 retina Macbook was finally getting too creaky, and the latest Mac hardware was a regression in many respects, while simultaneously utterly unaffordable. I'm now dual-booting Ubuntu/Windows 10 on a Dell XPS 15". What this experience has taught me is that computing in 2019 basically sucks. The problems with 2000-era Linux, as described in the article, are…

How is macOS any better? Default macOS, without third-party software. Does vanilla macOS even have keyboard-based window management yet? Does it still have weird modals where you're forced to use the mouse to select an option?

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by i_am_proteus »

computerex wrote: post #212
darrmit wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I came here to say the same. I do have more issues with macOS than I did, say, 5 years ago. However, the constant Windows update cycle is a nightmare and Linux still can't seem to get battery life and things like Bluetooth (audio inputs, etc.) quite right, so I'm left with hoping that Apple gets their stuff back together. Operating system stability just seems to have declined in general in the last 3-5 years.

Have you tried using tlp/powertop? I'd say my battery life is pretty comparable to Windows after having done some optimizations using aforementioned tools.

Can confirm. Battery life on my T420 went from about 3 to about 7 hours after installing. No manual config necessary.

I mention "T420" because I think it's pretty manufacturer-specific. ThinkPad and XPS usually have good hardware support on commmon Linux distributions, but other laptops may not.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by wbl »

IggleSniggle wrote: post #219
DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With respect, you post wasn't very condescending.

Here’s my fix: “Oh, please. People don’t _actually use_ macs while drinking their lattes anymore (except maybe ironically). Lenovo (running Windows with the Linux Subsystem enabled) is the only halfway decent way to get work done. Unless of course you’re one of those hipsters running Arch. I’ve been meaning to try that, actually.” -actual 2019 computing hipster, probably

Hipsters are defined by the obscure and retro, so would probably use an Eclipse.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by lostmsu »

darrmit wrote: post #195
nkoren wrote: post #190

Meh. I bailed out of the Mac ecosystem last year, as my mid-2012 retina Macbook was finally getting too creaky, and the latest Mac hardware was a regression in many respects, while simultaneously utterly unaffordable. I'm now dual-booting Ubuntu/Windows 10 on a Dell XPS 15". What this experience has taught me is that computing in 2019 basically sucks. The problems with 2000-era Linux, as described in the article, are…

I came here to say the same. I do have more issues with macOS than I did, say, 5 years ago. However, the constant Windows update cycle is a nightmare and Linux still can't seem to get battery life and things like Bluetooth (audio inputs, etc.) quite right, so I'm left with hoping that Apple gets their stuff back together. Operating system stability just seems to have declined in general in the last 3-5 years.

Can you elaborate on what do you mean by Windows update cycle? I have a Mac Mini, that I rarely touch to check a new release of something on Mac, and practically every time I have to use it, an update is pending.

Not sure how this is worse, than Windows.

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