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Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by kn100 »

nkoren wrote: post #190

Meh. I bailed out of the Mac ecosystem last year, as my mid-2012 retina Macbook was finally getting too creaky, and the latest Mac hardware was a regression in many respects, while simultaneously utterly unaffordable. I'm now dual-booting Ubuntu/Windows 10 on a Dell XPS 15". What this experience has taught me is that computing in 2019 basically sucks. The problems with 2000-era Linux, as described in the article, are…

W.r.t your hidpi/non-hidpi issue - a 'proper' solution is slowly making its way out of the woodwork. Wayland apparently will allow us to solve this problem, but in the meantime here's my solution if it'll help you.

I have a 4k dell xps 13 and a 2k monitor. I have this script set up to run on boot.

https://gist.github.com/kn100/7193667d393fcf34d4d5c6c359a695...

What this does is it forces your internal display to run at exactly quarter resolution (ie 1600x900), and adds your second display at its native resolution to the setup. Since the panel is running at a multiple of its native resolution, it still looks fine, if not quite as pixel perfect. This has the nice side effect of making the laptop feel a bit faster since it's driving a quarter of the pixels it usually has to drive. This makes the monitor panel do the scaling too, which is nice. With this setup, both displays will be running at a roughly similar DPI which will make scaling issues... a non issue!

I hope this helps.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by computerex »

darrmit wrote: post #195
nkoren wrote: post #190

Meh. I bailed out of the Mac ecosystem last year, as my mid-2012 retina Macbook was finally getting too creaky, and the latest Mac hardware was a regression in many respects, while simultaneously utterly unaffordable. I'm now dual-booting Ubuntu/Windows 10 on a Dell XPS 15". What this experience has taught me is that computing in 2019 basically sucks. The problems with 2000-era Linux, as described in the article, are…

I came here to say the same. I do have more issues with macOS than I did, say, 5 years ago. However, the constant Windows update cycle is a nightmare and Linux still can't seem to get battery life and things like Bluetooth (audio inputs, etc.) quite right, so I'm left with hoping that Apple gets their stuff back together. Operating system stability just seems to have declined in general in the last 3-5 years.

Have you tried using tlp/powertop? I'd say my battery life is pretty comparable to Windows after having done some optimizations using aforementioned tools.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

clownpenis_fart wrote: post #185
threeseed wrote: post #20

1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. 2. I just downloaded Caret (Markdown editor) from their website and used Homebrew to install a CLI tool. Nothing has changed between the current OSX and previous ones. 3. If you have a tech support issue go into the Apple Sto…

Linux 2000: writing a post summarizing Linux's issues will compel a point by point response in which a fanboy will either tell you "works for me" or "you're holding it wrong". Apple 2019: writing a post summarizing Apple products' issues will compel a point by point response in which a fanboy will either tell you "works for me" or "you're holding it wrong".

It is worth noting that a Linux 2019 entry in that list would be also completely identical to Linux 2000.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by Annatar »

cyberpunk wrote: post #202
Annatar wrote: post #187

"Linux 2000: There is only One True Way of installing software: using distro packages. If you do anything else you are bad and you should feel bad." That is absolutely correct and if one is installing software in any other way than packaging it into an OS package, one is hacking in the worst possible, amateurish way, with the added bonus that every experienced UNIX system administrator will hate one's guts come time…

So all those sysadmins installing oracle rdbms, websphere stuff or basically any other kind of enterprise software in the last 10 years are in the wrong profession? I'd best tell them...

There are a lot of people in that subprofession which have no business being there. Go to any larger non-Silicon Valley enterprise and the first thing you'll run into are system engineering departments doing work Oracle should have done 40 years ago -- system engineering OS packages out of Oracle's products. Oracle RDBMS is the #1 product Oracle's customers have a system engineering department for; it's just yet another blight on that company's long list of screw-ups.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by eropple »

disiplus wrote: post #145
randallsquared wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. Last year I had a lot of problems with this. It was pretty common[1] that USB-C to HDMI cables would work at first and then stop working in a particular port. Sometimes rebooting helped. Sometimes swapping the cable for ano…

i have those problems still, sometimes after waking up, so i play the game have i tried this usb-c port or not. it usualy works after one two times. thank god i have 4 of them. i have a 2 external monitors and usually close the macbook. but hey at least it works. on my linux laptop it allways forgets the layout that i had and resorts to puting the external monitor right, and dont ger me started on X and fractional sc…

YMMV, but since switching to Wayland I've found issues like that to be a lot less common. Not gone completely, but rare enough that I never remember the last time when it finally occurs again. ;)

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by LaSombra »

Aeolun wrote: post #111
threeseed wrote: post #20

1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. 2. I just downloaded Caret (Markdown editor) from their website and used Homebrew to install a CLI tool. Nothing has changed between the current OSX and previous ones. 3. If you have a tech support issue go into the Apple Sto…

> 4. MacBook Pro has 4 USB-C ports. Maybe we should specify it to mean USB ports you can use for something without an adapter.

Probably. Prior to the touchbar model I could:

Charge, drive 2 displays, use a YubiKey, connect to a wired network and have a spare USB for charging my phone or connect a Time Machine backup.

Without daisy chain or a hub that's no longer possible.

I know I'm an outlier but still, new laptops offer less and less ports, including my Lenovo T580, and that's a shame for some.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by lzol »

proverbialbunny wrote: post #85

I've been on MacOS since 5 (mac classic). I went to Win 2000 and XP for a while but came back at 10.3. On average every 2 years I'd pick up a few distros of Linux, play with it, then drop it and go back to OS X. This continued until recently. This last year I've been on Linux for the first time. Specifically, Linux Mint. OS X hasn't been going in a direction I strongly care for (10.6 was my favorite, as well as Windo…

Mint is such a wonderful distro for people who want to use Linux but don't want to mess with things. I'm glad you've been enjoying it so far. Canonical really dropped the ball with how great a no-config, no-bullshit distro can be. Ubuntu felt like it was on this path 10 years ago before they started adding all the unnecessary bullshit. I'm glad Mint is the fork that picked up the slack.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by rickyc091 »

randallsquared wrote: post #134
threeseed wrote: post #20

1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. 2. I just downloaded Caret (Markdown editor) from their website and used Homebrew to install a CLI tool. Nothing has changed between the current OSX and previous ones. 3. If you have a tech support issue go into the Apple Sto…

> 1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. Last year I had a lot of problems with this. It was pretty common[1] that USB-C to HDMI cables would work at first and then stop working in a particular port. Sometimes rebooting helped. Sometimes swapping the cable for ano…

I constantly still have problems with my Dell 4k monitor (first gen and last year's model), where it doesn't wake properly from sleep. Most of the time, I resolve it with the following.

- Switch the USB-C port from one to another - Open up my laptop from clamshell mode and switch the cables around - Unplug my monitor - Restart my computer

The nuclear option of rebooting my computer and monitor always seems to work.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by IggleSniggle »

DoofusOfDeath wrote: post #164
skrebbel wrote: post #126

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 5. If you resort to calling groups of people "condescending elitist hipster latte drinkers" then pretty sure you've lost the argument. As a condescending elitist hipster latte drinker on an ultralight convertible Lenovo Yoga + Windows 10, I feel excluded. The days that condescending elitist hipster latte drinkers only used Mac have long passed.

With respect, you post wasn't very condescending.

Here’s my fix:

“Oh, please. People don’t _actually use_ macs while drinking their lattes anymore (except maybe ironically). Lenovo (running Windows with the Linux Subsystem enabled) is the only halfway decent way to get work done. Unless of course you’re one of those hipsters running Arch. I’ve been meaning to try that, actually.” -actual 2019 computing hipster, probably

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by disiplus »

eropple wrote: post #215
disiplus wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i have those problems still, sometimes after waking up, so i play the game have i tried this usb-c port or not. it usualy works after one two times. thank god i have 4 of them. i have a 2 external monitors and usually close the macbook. but hey at least it works. on my linux laptop it allways forgets the layout that i had and resorts to puting the external monitor right, and dont ger me started on X and fractional sc…

YMMV, but since switching to Wayland I've found issues like that to be a lot less common. Not gone completely, but rare enough that I never remember the last time when it finally occurs again. ;)

sure but with hidpi display most of my apps are blurry, of browsers firefox nightly has it but chrome does not, intelij, vscode and so on.
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