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Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by noah-kun »

thrower123 wrote: post #19

Linux was something you downloaded for $0 and half the fun was tinkering on it. Apple is a proprietary product that you pay a hefty premium compared to other available options for. It's getting to the point where even the most full-throated Apple advocates have to admit that things are not going in the right direction, and normies are starting to bitch and moan about their Macbooks more than Windows laptops that cost…

Apple laptops are incredibly good. But I did notice, switching to a 2012 temporarily, that I only missed like... half a dozen things. It was half the speed, twice the mass, but it got the job done shockingly well. I hated the old hinge trackpad, and the keys weren't to my liking. A few apps (mostly iPad ports) had typography that was hard to read on a non-Retina display. I switched back to the 2018 and yes it was a huge relief, but I could have switched back to my 2018 model 3 or 4 days ago and that says something.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by coldtea »

vbezhenar wrote: post #59
fabioborellini wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, Apple products should not be used in countries without an Apple Store. Sounds about right.

I'm living in a country without Apple Store. When my Macbook broke, I went to authorized service center. They replaced SSD. It took over a month. So if it would be my work machine, I wouldn't be able to work for over a month. This is just unacceptable.

If you are a professional it's unacceptable to only have one work machine and no backup machine.

What if it was stolen or broken entirely instead of "SSD needs replacement"?

Then there would be nobody to replace it for you (in a month or a day), but you'd still have work to do. At best you would buy a new one, set it up again, and lose a few days to get back on track while your customers wait.

And that's assuming you have the credit at hand then and there (and you don't need to do any market research, but can just grab a machine).

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by jsjohnst »

my123 wrote: post #77
jsjohnst wrote: post #64

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> MacOS decides to rearrange them arbitrarily after reconnecting them Not had that problem personally in at least 3 MacOS major releases. What version of MacOS are you using?

A lot of monitors, especially cheaper ones, don't have the serial number fields populated in the EDID, so that the OS can't distinguish between them.

I encounter a bunch of cheap monitors, still not had that issue recently. But that doesn’t disprove your point, just my own personal experience.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by proverbialbunny »

I've been on MacOS since 5 (mac classic). I went to Win 2000 and XP for a while but came back at 10.3.

On average every 2 years I'd pick up a few distros of Linux, play with it, then drop it and go back to OS X. This continued until recently. This last year I've been on Linux for the first time. Specifically, Linux Mint.

OS X hasn't been going in a direction I strongly care for (10.6 was my favorite, as well as Windows 2000). I'm a power user who just wants things to work. I don't need all the bells and whistles. I want a low maintenance experience without bugs, that just works. Right now Linux Mint is that on my hardware.

The only modification I've done to the system is using the graphics card for v-sync instead of the cpu. Outside of that, I'm on a 4k monitor that works at 60fps. I've not had a single crash or noticeable bug since installing (except a bug in Firefox). I haven't had to go deep in the terminal, but I have built custom versions of software. eg, the version of cmake on the OS is older than the version needed to build cuda projects that use cmake.

It's a minimum no bells and whistles it just works experience. So I'm happy. Is it for everyone? No. Are more every day desktop users going to be picking up Linux in the near future? Probably. Video game support has gotten so good on Linux that people who play video games have been slowly jumping ship. I've been surprised.

Though, if they break anything, I'll go back to OSX.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by jsjohnst »

tasogare wrote: post #71
jsjohnst wrote: post #15

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Are you on Catalina or Mojave by chance?

Yes. I installed Catalina for Sidecar, only to discover the feature wasn’t supported on the 2015 MBP.

Something about Catalina has been causing issues with both installing Xcode and massively increased phantom disk usage (not just related to TimeMachine). I didn’t experience the former (have colleagues who did though), but did experience the later and had it self correct (on a machine without TM enabled).

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by least »

proverbialbunny wrote: post #66
least wrote: post #31

In many cases the things he claims are past linux behavior remains the same today. Perhaps he hasn't used Linux in recent years? > External Monitors Plugging in monitors in linux today frequently does not behave as you expect. The chances of errant behavior is significantly higher on linux than any other operating system. I can't speak to apple computers not working with projectors, but it seems like he's comparing a…

>In many cases the things he claims are past linux behavior remains the same today. Perhaps he hasn't used Linux in recent years? I'm not sure what hardware you're using. On my end Linux so stable I haven't had a crash in years. Though, I have had some Firefox updates not render sites correctly. That and the default desktop behavior isn't ideal. Setting Force Full Composition Pipeline makes everything run as smooth a…

In the end everyone's opinions on these things are going to be informed by their individual experiences. Linux is generally going to lag behind windows in hardware support since most hardware is designed, tested, and supported with Windows.

I installed Mint on my father's computer and it has been rock solid for him. I tend to find ways to break installations, but that's certainly not linux's fault. That said, it's still very much a mixed bag for me.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by guacjack »

dmitryminkovsky wrote: post #27
threeseed wrote: post #20

1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. 2. I just downloaded Caret (Markdown editor) from their website and used Homebrew to install a CLI tool. Nothing has changed between the current OSX and previous ones. 3. If you have a tech support issue go into the Apple Sto…

Apple support has always been great in my experience. They’re worth the money.

Totally agree, a few years ago I had a 2015 27inch iMac with AppleCare which ended up getting a smudge under the display. Apple repaired it no problem.

About a year later, the stand became a little loose so over the course of the day it would end up tilting down.

Apple sympathised this was the 2nd time I had to send it in for a repair, they ended replacing with a similar specced iMac from the current year. They also give me the opportunity to upgrade any components I wanted just like if I was buying new. They also give me another 3 years of Apple Care. Ended up upgrading the CPU and GPU for about £300 and getting a brand new 2018 iMac

Obviously this is anecdotal but its things like this which keep me going back to Apple.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by bitL »

On a MacBook with Catalina I can't update XCode at all; it downloads ~4GB then resets the progress and starts re-downloading until it reaches 100% where it resets progress again and repeats.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by pmjordan »

coldtea wrote: post #82
vbezhenar wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm living in a country without Apple Store. When my Macbook broke, I went to authorized service center. They replaced SSD. It took over a month. So if it would be my work machine, I wouldn't be able to work for over a month. This is just unacceptable.

If you are a professional it's unacceptable to only have one work machine and no backup machine. What if it was stolen or broken entirely instead of "SSD needs replacement"? Then there would be nobody to replace it for you (in a month or a day), but you'd still have work to do. At best you would buy a new one, set it up again, and lose a few days to get back on track while your customers wait. And that's assuming you…

Backups (both hardware and data) or not, a month turnaround is still awful and unacceptable, and reason enough to switch suppliers. Companies that take business customers seriously offer same-day on-site service.
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