Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000 • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by ThalesX » Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 11:04 AM UTC

s_dev wrote: post #52

ThalesX wrote: post #17

I think though it got upvoted, I’m not sure this piece should be taken so seriously by the commenters. It’s a play on taking some ballpark similiarities and making it seem like Apple 2019 and Linux 2000 are alike. Some might enjoy it, some might not but this is not meant as serious technical piece.

I'm not remotely convinced by the article. It's clear the author thinks he has clickbait title and just ran an article on it, it's compltely beneath HN, Linux == macOS? Please.

I agree, it's somewhat below the standard, but then again, we decide the standard together.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by song » Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 11:05 AM UTC

fabioborellini wrote: post #44

threeseed wrote: post #20

1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. 2. I just downloaded Caret (Markdown editor) from their website and used Homebrew to install a CLI tool. Nothing has changed between the current OSX and previous ones. 3. If you have a tech support issue go into the Apple Sto…

So, Apple products should not be used in countries without an Apple Store. Sounds about right.

Depends, a small protip, if you have an apple product that died because of water. Go to an apple reseller in a country without apple store. Most of the times they will turn a blind eye on the water damage and just repair it since they get paid by repairs.

At least this was my experience a few years back.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by cyborgx7 » Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 11:05 AM UTC

monsieurbanana wrote: post #43

ThalesX wrote: post #17

I think though it got upvoted, I’m not sure this piece should be taken so seriously by the commenters. It’s a play on taking some ballpark similiarities and making it seem like Apple 2019 and Linux 2000 are alike. Some might enjoy it, some might not but this is not meant as serious technical piece.

Trying to write a non-serious article doesn't give you a free pass to say things like "[linux] fanboys are condescending elitist computer nerds" or that "[Apple] fanboys are condescending elitist hipster latte web site designers". Not that it's illegal, but he shouldn't be surprised if people just dismiss him whatever message he's trying to send just because he seems insufferable.

It's true though.

Note that he says Linux and Apple fanboys. You can still like either while being realistic about their flaws and shortcommings.

Also, learn to take a joke.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by jsjohnst » Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 11:06 AM UTC

crististm wrote: post #38

threeseed wrote: post #20

1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. 2. I just downloaded Caret (Markdown editor) from their website and used Homebrew to install a CLI tool. Nothing has changed between the current OSX and previous ones. 3. If you have a tech support issue go into the Apple Sto…

Except when you have more than one external monitors and MacOS decides to rearrange them arbitrarily after reconnecting them.

> MacOS decides to rearrange them arbitrarily after reconnecting them

Not had that problem personally in at least 3 MacOS major releases. What version of MacOS are you using?

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by mjlee » Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 11:07 AM UTC

beokop wrote: post #47

I haven’t thought of it this way before but I think you’re right. External monitor support does break randomly and hardware support through dongles is extremely flakey. A small excerpt from my personal list of woes: - Using a USB-c DVI cable gives the monitor a purple hue. An HDMI cable does not. Also, this isn’t an issue in bootcamp. - Can’t use the serial debugger of a Particle Photon because it can’t use the dongl…

For your first problem, perhaps some monitor auto detection has gone crazy with a colour profile. Have a look under System Preferences -> Displays -> Colour (you need to have the monitor plugged in to tweak it.)

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by proverbialbunny » Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 11:07 AM UTC

least wrote: post #31

In many cases the things he claims are past linux behavior remains the same today. Perhaps he hasn't used Linux in recent years? > External Monitors Plugging in monitors in linux today frequently does not behave as you expect. The chances of errant behavior is significantly higher on linux than any other operating system. I can't speak to apple computers not working with projectors, but it seems like he's comparing a…

>In many cases the things he claims are past linux behavior remains the same today. Perhaps he hasn't used Linux in recent years?

I'm not sure what hardware you're using. On my end Linux so stable I haven't had a crash in years. Though, I have had some Firefox updates not render sites correctly. That and the default desktop behavior isn't ideal. Setting Force Full Composition Pipeline makes everything run as smooth as butter, similar to how OSX feels. It really should be the default behavior. All in all, Linux is far more stable and usable as a desktop today.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by tolqen » Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 11:09 AM UTC

pushpop wrote: post #46

threeseed wrote: post #20

1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. 2. I just downloaded Caret (Markdown editor) from their website and used Homebrew to install a CLI tool. Nothing has changed between the current OSX and previous ones. 3. If you have a tech support issue go into the Apple Sto…

> 4. MacBook Pro has 4 USB-C ports. Only if you get one with a Touch Bar - which are the more expensive end of the MBP range. However many users don’t like the Touch Bar. For myself, I used escape and the F-keys a lot and the idea of remapping caps lock is really more of a kludge than a proper fix (not least of all because I do frequently hope between USB keyboards and Linux laptops as well - so pressing caps lock is…

All current MPBs have a Touch Bar. Apple no longer sells any without one.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by sgjohnson » Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 11:09 AM UTC

crististm wrote: post #38

threeseed wrote: post #20

1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. 2. I just downloaded Caret (Markdown editor) from their website and used Homebrew to install a CLI tool. Nothing has changed between the current OSX and previous ones. 3. If you have a tech support issue go into the Apple Sto…

Except when you have more than one external monitors and MacOS decides to rearrange them arbitrarily after reconnecting them.

Hasn't happened to me. I'm running 3 external monitors when my MacBook is docked at home, 2 when I'm at the office.

Not once the order was not correct when reconnecting.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by mrtksn » Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 11:09 AM UTC

thinkingemote wrote: post #41

Good post on hiw to annoy two large groups of hacker news readers, Linux advocates and Apple enthusiasts.

I have to say that I was outraged and reminded how much I hate the culture of machine maintenance glorification culture popular among the Linux people. Top-notch trolling.

Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000

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Post by hugi » Mon, Oct 14, 2019, 11:10 AM UTC

fabioborellini wrote: post #44

threeseed wrote: post #20

1. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. 2. I just downloaded Caret (Markdown editor) from their website and used Homebrew to install a CLI tool. Nothing has changed between the current OSX and previous ones. 3. If you have a tech support issue go into the Apple Sto…

So, Apple products should not be used in countries without an Apple Store. Sounds about right.

I live in a country without an Apple store (Iceland) and I have no problems. There are multiple Apple Authorized Service Providers here that provide excellent support and service. And Iceland is a teeny tiny market so I imagine it's even easier in most parts of the world.