Good post on hiw to annoy two large groups of hacker news readers, Linux advocates and Apple enthusiasts.
Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000
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#42/me gets popcorn out
Apple people will be outraged about this post, even if it's mostly a joke.
My conclusion from it is that there are difficult topics, and, apparently, changing standards fast is not helping at all. (DisplayPort was finally more or less working, but sure, swap to another display outlet... and the same for a lot of things).
There is no time to build systems (hw or sw, or god forbid, the two together) that are _mainly_ bug free with common hardware. Windows XP in it's final days was close to this. The most stable desktop linux distribution I used was a short lived Linux Mint release, 10 (Julia), which doesn't make any sense.
Maybe if standards we slowed down a bit and we'd give more time to sand the rough edges tech history wouldn't constantly run in circles.
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#43I think though it got upvoted, I’m not sure this piece should be taken so seriously by the commenters. It’s a play on taking some ballpark similiarities and making it seem like Apple 2019 and Linux 2000 are alike. Some might enjoy it, some might not but this is not meant as serious technical piece.
Trying to write a non-serious article doesn't give you a free pass to say things like "[linux] fanboys are condescending elitist computer nerds" or that "[Apple] fanboys are condescending elitist hipster latte web site designers".
Not that it's illegal, but he shouldn't be surprised if people just dismiss him whatever message he's trying to send just because he seems insufferable.
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#441. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. 2. I just downloaded Caret (Markdown editor) from their website and used Homebrew to install a CLI tool. Nothing has changed between the current OSX and previous ones. 3. If you have a tech support issue go into the Apple Sto…
So, Apple products should not be used in countries without an Apple Store. Sounds about right.
Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000
#45Too many of the issues the author cites about Linux are still problems today. They're not nearly as bad as they were in 2000, but they still exist.
Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000
#461. Never once seen an issue with USB-C to HDMI or VGA connections. It doesn't even make any sense since MacBook Pro users with external, third party monitors are an extremely common combination. 2. I just downloaded Caret (Markdown editor) from their website and used Homebrew to install a CLI tool. Nothing has changed between the current OSX and previous ones. 3. If you have a tech support issue go into the Apple Sto…
> 4. MacBook Pro has 4 USB-C ports.
Only if you get one with a Touch Bar - which are the more expensive end of the MBP range.
However many users don’t like the Touch Bar. For myself, I used escape and the F-keys a lot and the idea of remapping caps lock is really more of a kludge than a proper fix (not least of all because I do frequently hope between USB keyboards and Linux laptops as well - so pressing caps lock isn’t a habit I particularly want ingrained into muscle memory).
Given the premium you pay for Apple and the form factor of USB-C, having more than 2 ports shouldn’t be a feature reserved for the upper tiers of MacBook Pro’s. In fact it never used to be back before MBPs took on the design stylings of their “Air” counterparts.
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#47I haven’t thought of it this way before but I think you’re right. External monitor support does break randomly and hardware support through dongles is extremely flakey.
A small excerpt from my personal list of woes:
- Using a USB-c DVI cable gives the monitor a purple hue. An HDMI cable does not. Also, this isn’t an issue in bootcamp.
- Can’t use the serial debugger of a Particle Photon because it can’t use the dongle’s USB-A interface directly.
- Sometimes the Touch Bar goes completely unresponsive for ~10s. Sometimes, after a reboot or after waking from sleep, it just doesn’t start at all.
- At one point the speakers started blasting white noise at the loudest volume for no apparent reason. Closed the lid, opened it, same thing. Rebooted the machine and never encountered that problem again.
- If a certain kind of network error occurs when setting up Time Machine then System Preferences will hang completely for ~5 minutes.
In many ways the experience is what I would expect if I could run Linux on this machine: Hardware kind of works with lots of random bugs.
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#48In many cases the things he claims are past linux behavior remains the same today. Perhaps he hasn't used Linux in recent years? > External Monitors Plugging in monitors in linux today frequently does not behave as you expect. The chances of errant behavior is significantly higher on linux than any other operating system. I can't speak to apple computers not working with projectors, but it seems like he's comparing a…
> It's pretty remarkable how someone can be so condemning of condescending elitist behavior while simultaneously being a condescending elitist jerk.
Had the exact same thought!
> I can't speak to apple computers not working with projectors
I can. I organize hack days all over the globe and have to deal with lots of different types of laptops from virtually all manufacturers. Apple laptops (even old ones going back to the mid-2000s) virtually never have an issue connecting to a projector as long as you have the right adapter (my gear bag has like 15, but most of those aren’t for Apple laptops, I think I primarily use ~3 for them). I certainly can’t say that for Windows (admittedly mostly due to shitty laptop hardware, not Windows’ fault directly), let alone Linux.
Re: Apple of 2019 is the Linux of 2000
#49In many cases the things he claims are past linux behavior remains the same today. Perhaps he hasn't used Linux in recent years? > External Monitors Plugging in monitors in linux today frequently does not behave as you expect. The chances of errant behavior is significantly higher on linux than any other operating system. I can't speak to apple computers not working with projectors, but it seems like he's comparing a…
> The outlier in software installation is Windows, where it is still encouraged to install executables downloaded on the internet.
Windows is definitely a laggard with respect to package management. But even Windows has choco these days, https://chocolatey.org
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#50I will say that Mac OS is incredibly disk-hungry (and MBPs get vastly more expensive when you add options like bigger (still not that big) disks). I don't want to become a Mac OS hobbyist and figure out how this happens (I like Mac OS overall because it's a BSD and I'm a BSD guy, but it is not my hobby BSD of choice) so I ended up just spending a few bucks on some "cleaner" program that purged a surprisingly huge amount of disk the first run and purges like 5 gigs a week thereafter.
I honestly don't know why it uses so much disk.