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Eliud Kipchoge Breaks Two-Hour Marathon Barrier

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Post by wccrawford »

jniedrauer wrote: post #252
wccrawford wrote: post #62

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That would be amazing for many sports, I think. Gamers are used to ghosts in races showing them what others have done. Doing this for real-life sports could really change how people train. Personally, I find this a very inspirational idea.

> Doing this for real-life sports could really change how people train. Strava live segments kind of do this already and it's more of a curse during training. The hardest part of training for running, aside from the consistent long hours, is taking it easy most of the time. Strava segments cause you to compete with yourself and others and go too hard. This quickly leads to burnout and injury. Slow, consistent runs ar…

I won't argue that nobody will use it incorrectly. In fact, I'm positive that it'll happen just like you say at first.

And then the internet will be flooded with bloggers talking about how everyone is doing it wrong since they're now self-proclaimed experts, repeating the same things they've heard someone else say.

And eventually, most people will get on the right track with it. It'll be a "GPS watch" in their head that's far more effective.

And I'm sure people will take it beyond that in ways that neither of us are prepared to imagine yet.

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Post by philmander »

Aperocky wrote: post #243
philwelch wrote: post #26

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Besides, he already has the official world record anyway. This was an experiment to see if it was possible to shave a couple dozen seconds off the marathon time of the greatest marathon runner of all time. Doing it again in race conditions—whether it’s by Kipchoge or another runner—will be a historic milestone but there is greater confidence that it will happen now. Besides, I know you can’t control for adrenaline an…

I think the team did not fully grasp how huge of a difference laser guided pacemaker and fully covered wind guard makes. The difference could have been greater -- maybe we're even going to see a peloton effect in future marathons utilized to the fullest.

They did exactly this two years ago and failed

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Post by bandrami »

ErikAugust wrote: post #141
bandrami wrote: post #14

I can't sprint that fast nowadays. When I was in the Marines 20 years ago, my 3-mile pace was slower than that, and I still had a class "A" run time. This is amazing.

What was the "Class A time" for the Marines 20 years ago? No offense but if you broke 18 minutes (6:00 mile) for the 3 mile I'd be surprised. Kipchoge just ran a 4:30 mile for 26 miles. Hell, the best marathoner the US had in the 2000 Olympics ran a 2:30. Literally a half hour slower than Kipchoge.

> No offense but if you broke 18 minutes (6:00 mile) for the 3 mile I'd be surprised.

Ummm... why? Back then I ran 5 miles 3 times a week. They tend to nudge you out of infantry if you aren't getting a class A PFT; I would usually traipse in at 17:30 or so.

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Post by bandrami »

ErikAugust wrote: post #219
llimllib wrote: post #167

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> No offense but if you broke 18 minutes (6:00 mile) for the 3 mile I'd be surprised. Curious, but why? That's an extremely achievable time for anybody who is athletic and trains. (no disagreement that 4:30 pace is vastly more difficult than 6:00)

“Who trains”, yes. Not saying that someone couldn’t do that in a PT test but more often than not, people aren’t training to the level they’d achieve that. If they were running distance in high school, sure. It’s an ordinary time for a high school varsity cross country runner.

I mean, you do run a whole lot in the Marines, you know?

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Post by canucker2016 »

avinium wrote: post #242
confidantlake wrote: post #235

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If he is really 40, which I don't believe, that would make this record even more remarkable.

That was my initial reaction, too. Or is long distance running much less of a "young person sport" than others?

Look at the following table that has been compiled about how much contribution from the body's aerobic and anaerobic systems are used for various race distances:

From https://www.runnersworld.com/advanced/a20805305/owners-manua...

  Distance    Gastin Aerobic/Anaerobic Ratio
  Marathon    97.5/2.5
       10K    90/10
        5K    84/16
  1500m/mile  84/16
      800m    66/34
      400m    43/57
Marathon running is mostly aerobic vs running 1500m or even shorter distances like 800m or 400m.

So any loss of speed as marathoners get older won't be catastrophic versus competing in shorter races.

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Post by gargalatas »

confidantlake wrote: post #235
canucker2016 wrote: post #194

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"At that point he'll be 35..." A well-known secret in running circles - many Ethiopian and Kenyan runners have dubious official birth years including Eliud Kipchoge. from https://runningmagazine.ca/the-scene/zane-robertson-swears-k... (Zane Robertson, one of two identical twin brothers from NZ who live & train in Kenya and ran 2:08:19 for the marathon): "That’s when Robertson got involved, commenting that Kipchoge is…

If he is really 40, which I don't believe, that would make this record even more remarkable.

Most of the times I am good at guessing other people's age. With Kipchoge I was really confused! His voice, his face his move. He looks older than me (37) and now it's probably getting clear. But still I am not surprised. Maybe you get older and you loose some aerobic capacity but your are getting more experienced and the body more immune to injuries!

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Post by sk5t »

Hendrikto wrote: post #82
anonu wrote: post #80

Reminds me of this post on HN from 5 years ago: what will it take to run a 2 hour marathon? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8439408 Unfortunately the linked article seems to have disappeared. I wonder if today's record was run with those special Nike shoes with the blades inside... The ones that supposedly give you a 1 percent boost or something similar... If you have shoes that give you such a boost, is it dopi…

> If you have shoes that give you such a boost, is it doping? Definitely not, as doping is about drugs. It may be cheating though.

I think you have jumped to a conclusion here: blood doping isn't about drugs.

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Post by mlamorte219 »

francisofascii wrote: post #92
anonu wrote: post #80

Reminds me of this post on HN from 5 years ago: what will it take to run a 2 hour marathon? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8439408 Unfortunately the linked article seems to have disappeared. I wonder if today's record was run with those special Nike shoes with the blades inside... The ones that supposedly give you a 1 percent boost or something similar... If you have shoes that give you such a boost, is it dopi…

Yes. I heard he ran with a Nike prototype called alphaFly, which is probably superior to the VaporFly.

I mean rebound energy is great for a force to hit the ground with less Cush under foot. Newton’s law of physics bounce a ball off pavement and then on a pillow and see what has better rebound energy

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Post by radeklew »

Rapzid wrote: post #254
y4mi wrote: post #94

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he's also the 'normal' marathon world champion. He just didn't exceed his own previous record with this because it didn't qualify in this category. You wouldn't allow a rocket propelled and self driving formel1 car into the same bracket as the normal league either.... Though the difference is significantly less here His achievements are listed on Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliud_Kipchoge

WASI recognizes Eliud Kipchoge's 1 hour, 59 minutes, and 40 seconds time as the current world record marathon distance running time.

It seems a shame that 99.99% of humans will never have the opportunity to break the record. If only there was a category for people who race unassisted by a large team of pacers, cyclists who feed them specially designed gel, and laser-equipped pacer cars.

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Post by jjeaff »

ivanhoe wrote: post #259
simonebrunozzi wrote: post #256

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Forgive my ignorance: what's the Peloton effect (I know the company; not sure what the "effect" is), and what's the laser guided pacemaker you're referring to?

Peloton is the same idea as tailgating (driving behind a truck on highway in order to save fuel), front cyclists/runners use extra energy to "break" the air so that those behind them can save some strength.

Tailgating is just what jerks do because they are inconsiderate and unsafe.

I believe the word you were looking for is "drafting".

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