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Wait ... why a laser projection? You could just use the car for pacing.
Maybe for keeping a safe distance without having to eyeball it, or for avoiding the fumes.
The pace car was a Tesla so no fumes :)
Eliud Kipchoge Breaks Two-Hour Marathon Barrier
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So use an AR headset to put a virtual person in front of you keeping a constant pace?
That would be amazing for many sports, I think. Gamers are used to ghosts in races showing them what others have done. Doing this for real-life sports could really change how people train. Personally, I find this a very inspirational idea.
> Doing this for real-life sports could really change how people train.
Strava live segments kind of do this already and it's more of a curse during training. The hardest part of training for running, aside from the consistent long hours, is taking it easy most of the time. Strava segments cause you to compete with yourself and others and go too hard. This quickly leads to burnout and injury. Slow, consistent runs are what you need during training, and a GPS watch can already give you that.
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Back then people didn’t believe a four minute mile is possible, but after the barrier has been broken, dozens followed suit. In his eyes, his achievement is not the run, but breaking the barrier, and I appreciate him for that.
I often wonder in cases like that if those who followed suit were not so much emboldened as already nipping at the heels of the one who did it first. To mix metaphor with reality, there was perhaps a pack speeding toward the finish line, and one crossed it first.
It's probably a mix of both. Surprisingly (to me), not many were able to break the sub 4min mile immediately after Bannister broke that record - Landy was the second to break the mark a month or so after but he was already working towards it. I read in the 20 year span after the record, only 300 runners were able to match the sub 4 feat.
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I just formed my own officiating world record certification body called WASI; We All Saw It. WASI rejects who-evers claim to a monopoly on declaring who ran what, when, and where. WASI officially recognizes Elluid Kipchoge as the most badass marathon distance runner alive.
he's also the 'normal' marathon world champion. He just didn't exceed his own previous record with this because it didn't qualify in this category. You wouldn't allow a rocket propelled and self driving formel1 car into the same bracket as the normal league either.... Though the difference is significantly less here His achievements are listed on Wikipedia https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliud_Kipchoge
WASI recognizes Eliud Kipchoge's 1 hour, 59 minutes, and 40 seconds time as the current world record marathon distance running time.
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The recent Salazar scandal proves otherwise, i.e. that a lot of today’s athletics-related performances are reached based on same old drug cheating. Too bad, athletics as a competitive sport used to be an event that genuinely filled up big stadiums (like in 1993 in Stuttgart or in 1999 in Sevilla), nowadays we’re left wondering which results will be wiped out in 5 years’ time, while the recent 100-meter World Champs f…
While Kipchoge is sponsored by Nike, he was never part of Salazar's Nike Oregon Project and has never failed a doping test. Doha is a rather terrible site for an athletics meet. Plus Qatar is under a travel ban from Saudi Arabia and other neighboring countries. So the low attendance attendence doesn't necessarily mean much.
Armstrong never failed a doping test either.
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Besides, he already has the official world record anyway. This was an experiment to see if it was possible to shave a couple dozen seconds off the marathon time of the greatest marathon runner of all time. Doing it again in race conditions—whether it’s by Kipchoge or another runner—will be a historic milestone but there is greater confidence that it will happen now. Besides, I know you can’t control for adrenaline an…
I think the team did not fully grasp how huge of a difference laser guided pacemaker and fully covered wind guard makes. The difference could have been greater -- maybe we're even going to see a peloton effect in future marathons utilized to the fullest.
Forgive my ignorance: what's the Peloton effect (I know the company; not sure what the "effect" is), and what's the laser guided pacemaker you're referring to?
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I think the team did not fully grasp how huge of a difference laser guided pacemaker and fully covered wind guard makes. The difference could have been greater -- maybe we're even going to see a peloton effect in future marathons utilized to the fullest.
Forgive my ignorance: what's the Peloton effect (I know the company; not sure what the "effect" is), and what's the laser guided pacemaker you're referring to?
Lead cyclists take turns riding at the front of the pack (the peloton, from which the company took its name), blocking the apparent wind and allowing teammates to ride in their slipstream. The protected riders use less energy to maintain the same pace.
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The rule for pacers is that they must start the race at the same time and be able to keep up with the runner being paced, though they don’t have to finish it. Swapping fresh legs in mid-race isn’t allowed. In a college indoor track 5K, one of my teammates was being lapped by another teammate competing for a podium spot. The guy being lapped started sprinting to help the guy near the front of the race finish strong. T…
It varies by event. Personal pacers in the marathon are uncommon to begin with. In ultramarathons they are specifically not allowed until late in the race. That a track event would rule that way had become an unfortunate expectation.
Pacers in ultras largely serve a different purpose. They’re there for safety, especially once it gets dark. In events 50 miles and shorter, pacers usually aren’t allowed. Sure, the elite runners could get some actual pacing at the end but that’s a very small portion of pacing in ultras.
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I think the team did not fully grasp how huge of a difference laser guided pacemaker and fully covered wind guard makes. The difference could have been greater -- maybe we're even going to see a peloton effect in future marathons utilized to the fullest.
Forgive my ignorance: what's the Peloton effect (I know the company; not sure what the "effect" is), and what's the laser guided pacemaker you're referring to?
Peloton is the same idea as tailgating (driving behind a truck on highway in order to save fuel), front cyclists/runners use extra energy to "break" the air so that those behind them can save some strength.
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Kipchoge probably burned about 2500 kcal according to online calculators. Maybe slightly less in reality due to drafting off his pacers and having an exceptionally efficient running form. Runners can drink anything they want as long as it doesn't violate doping rules. The elites all have customized carbohydrate mixes.
Probably much less. It is not just running form that makes elite runners efficient. Due to both genetics and training, their bodies use fuel more efficiently, too.
Probably not much less. Physics is physics. I'd be super sceptical of any claim about efficiency of something like running being much different from person to person (happy to see any quality research that proves my scepticism to be unfounded though). People like this are just monstrously fit compared to your average person, they still have the same thermodynamic considerations.