Live data from Hacker News

Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

bbc.com

131–140 of 187 posts

Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

#131

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The pachinko parlors are particularly quiet and serene.

Huh, my pachinko encounter was the complete opposite. My friend wanted to go to one while we were walking around once. As soon as the doors opened I was accosted by DEAFENING noise and the oppressive smell of cigarette smoke (as if chain-smokers were hot-boxing the place). I told him nope. This is one experience you'll have to try without me.

I think they were joking

Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

#134

The cleanliness is impressive, but what impressed me even more was the efficiency. One morning in Tokyo, I saw construction workers starting to dig up a street. It was a large operation, they were exposing some massive pipes, and there were a few policemen, politely pointing pedestrians to a way around the site. In the evening I went the same way again, to see how far they had gotten with the digging. However, there…

You don't know if it was: A) just an inspection B) regulated to the same degree as in Germany (i.e. digging a hole and covering it up is easy if don't have rules) C) succesful D) done properly

Somehow, I suspect B, C, and D are spurious concerns.

Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

#136
post #74
post #5

Undiluted orientalism. I was in Osaka this weekend and litter is everywhere. By far one of the dirtiest major cities I’ve seen in East Asia. In the city I live in in Japan, the rice fields are full of coffee cans, plastic bottles, and bento packaging thrown out from cars. Streets are covered in cigarette butts and somehow I see natto containers in the middle of nowhere. Going hiking, I see tea bottles and plastic bag…

I live in Japan as well. Hiking.. have you actually hiked anywhere in else in the world? Most places you can fill a garbage bag in an hour just walking on a trail. Took my climbing friends from Canada on a long Hike in Kita Alps, they brought a garbage bag as they always do to gather other peoples trash. We managed to find 2 empty water bottles in 3 days having covered close to 50km. See the campsites near huts after…

Trails in Finland are spotless. But I guess that's cos there's just not many people to begin with.

Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

#137
post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Turns out, strangely, that it actually reduces throughput compared to just having everyone stand Wait, what? How can this be true? Imagine an escalator w/ both lanes filled with people just standing. Now imagine the left lane starts walking: clearly, higher throughput. Now, maybe you're imagining a scenario where people don't want to walk. Now everyone stands on the right, and the left lane is completely empty. OK,…

Article on the London experiment: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/jan/16/the-tube-at-... It's a long escalator, so few people walk (40% according to the Guardian article). And then during rush hour there's a crowd in front of the escalator. This blog post estimates walking is 26 seconds and standing is 40 seconds: https://www.capgemini.com/gb-en/2016/04/would-standing-on-th... The optimal policy is to have e…

It sounds to me that the walk/stand system is nice because it creates a priority queue. Some people would rather wait and stand than not wait and walk. The people who are in a hurry get to walk and not wait. If the norm was "always stand", the 40% of people who walk would be much more annoyed. Even when the escalator was only at 5% capacity, there would be enough side-by-side standers that they wouldn't be able to walk.

Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

#138
post #74
post #5

Undiluted orientalism. I was in Osaka this weekend and litter is everywhere. By far one of the dirtiest major cities I’ve seen in East Asia. In the city I live in in Japan, the rice fields are full of coffee cans, plastic bottles, and bento packaging thrown out from cars. Streets are covered in cigarette butts and somehow I see natto containers in the middle of nowhere. Going hiking, I see tea bottles and plastic bag…

I live in Japan as well. Hiking.. have you actually hiked anywhere in else in the world? Most places you can fill a garbage bag in an hour just walking on a trail. Took my climbing friends from Canada on a long Hike in Kita Alps, they brought a garbage bag as they always do to gather other peoples trash. We managed to find 2 empty water bottles in 3 days having covered close to 50km. See the campsites near huts after…

Bugger me for living in a country with no mountains at all.

Japan's Alps really are quite something. Leaving the area cleaner than you found it is taken quite seriously by Japanese hikers.

I've hiked in the Southern Alps, including up Kitadake, Japan's second highest mountain, during my stay there as a graduate student. The occasional views you get of Mount Fuji standing far out in the plains are breathtaking! I joined a hiking group at the university I was staying at, which proofed a rewarding way to get to know Japan's hiking culture.

To be fair though, as soon as you leave the family-friendly day-trip hiking trails leading from the valleys to mountain hotels/restaurants well below the treeline in Europe's Alps behind and get to the trails that require at least a minimal amount of preparation and gear the story is much the same. People clean up after themselves, and pick the incidental wrapper or bottle lost by others along the way. People who hike up a mountain are on the whole a lot more respectful of nature and personal responsibility.

Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

#139
post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I live in Japan as well. Hiking.. have you actually hiked anywhere in else in the world? Most places you can fill a garbage bag in an hour just walking on a trail. Took my climbing friends from Canada on a long Hike in Kita Alps, they brought a garbage bag as they always do to gather other peoples trash. We managed to find 2 empty water bottles in 3 days having covered close to 50km. See the campsites near huts after…

San Francisco Bay Area hiking areas seem really clean to me.

The camp sites I've visited in the area seem reasonably clean, too.

Re: Most first-time visitors to Japan are struck by how clean the country is

#140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i see every country has its own florida

Osaka holds a strange place in Japanese culture. It is considered distinctly “un-Japanese,” but still at the same time is famous for producing all kinds of creative types (comedians, musicians, artists). And its accent is generally considered charming, if “inappropriate” for formal discourse. As an American, I’ve always felt more comfortable there because it’s way less uptight and rule-bound than other parts of Japan…

I prefer Osaka to Tokyo(the central wards where I've been at least) personally.

Still very Japanese IMHO, it certainly has its own vibe.. The craft beer and brewpub scene is great, and people generally seem more friendly and open to strangers and foreigners. Cycling culture seems stronger. An outsiders observation; people are much more likely to cross a crosswalk early or otherwise outside the proper time in Osaka!

Hanami is also spectacular in Osaka and Kyoto.

Post reply on HN